Today I sit down with Tim Myers and Brandon Stock, founders of Family Table Investments, to enjoy a wide ranging explorative conversation that focuses in on life, parenting, and the power of self awareness amongst other topics. 

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Episode Transcript

00;00;12;04 – 00;00;24;09
Jon Mayo
Well. Howdy, Gowdy. Good day to you. Had the pleasure of sitting down with Tim Myers and Bran Stark, founders of Family Table Investments, to have an explored of conversation into.

00;00;24;19 – 00;00;25;00
Jon Mayo
What.

00;00;25;15 – 00;01;10;28
Jon Mayo
Life soul about when since we don’t talk about their business, nor really the universal approach or any of our pursuits too much in depth, we do do a fairly exploratory deep dive into parenting, friendship, relationships, and how in the world we can moderate ourselves through self-awareness and recognition of that which we’re experiencing. Pretty interesting time spent together. We had a blast and hope that you do as well.

00;01;11;09 – 00;01;13;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Oh, good. Yeah. Let’s go.

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Jon Mayo
Oh, cool. We’re together.

00;01;14;14 – 00;01;17;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, that’s easy. Good to be back. Good to be back.

00;01;17;16 – 00;01;18;09
Jon Mayo
Great meeting you, Brandon.

00;01;18;09 – 00;01;22;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Remaining you. Yeah. Awesome place, man. Thank you. Thank you for the invite. Absolutely.

00;01;22;27 – 00;01;24;02
Jon Mayo
Glad we get to sit down, talk.

00;01;24;03 – 00;01;24;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00;01;25;07 – 00;01;33;18
Jon Mayo
I love at this point, I’m not in a rush with the podcast. Right. So I like you using it as a tool for highly intentional conversation.

00;01;33;18 – 00;01;33;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;01;34;20 – 00;01;41;21
Jon Mayo
So because it almost makes a ceremony of it. Yeah. You come in, you soundcheck and you get all plugged up in your go, man, this is neat.

00;01;42;00 – 00;01;42;08
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;01;42;18 – 00;01;45;26
Jon Mayo
And then I’ve just loved the conversations that come from it for sure.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Absolutely. Man, this is great.

00;01;47;21 – 00;01;48;14
Jon Mayo
Thanks for being here.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, I we love.

00;01;51;00 – 00;02;10;15
Jon Mayo
Does it matter? That’s right. No matter at all now. Yeah, we’re alive. And that’s the point. So we can talk about like all the things we were talking about downstairs. I was just like, Let’s get upstairs and get started because I can determine when I start playing the episode. Yeah, right. For what makes sense for us. But what’s really nice is once we hit that natural flow of we don’t want to break it.

00;02;10;15 – 00;02;30;00
Jon Mayo
True, right? And the first like 15 get ten guests. We were always working to refine it, but we be talking, want to be hospitable, get everyone warmed up. We’d get into a flow and okay, let’s pause and jump in. And then it was like third train stopped, had a rebuild momentum. Yeah, Hated it.

00;02;30;00 – 00;02;33;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
This is the things they don’t tell you about doing a podcast right now. Yeah.

00;02;33;19 – 00;02;41;02
Jon Mayo
That in like the first 18 episodes were being recorded through the computer. Mike said they sounded like trash.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Damn.

00;02;42;01 – 00;02;58;01
Jon Mayo
Yeah. We had a professional sound guy come, and he. He messed it, too. He’s like, Everything should be working perfectly. And then we finally discovered an internal setting that was defaulting it to the computer and overwriting this. That was neat.

00;02;58;01 – 00;02;59;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
What do you guys operate through?

00;02;59;14 – 00;03;15;19
Jon Mayo
Audacity or I just use audacity. And then for the universal learning approach, we have Adobe Suite, the entire OC, the entire suite. So I’ll record through audacity, download it, and then edit it through Adobe.

00;03;15;25 – 00;03;16;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Okay.

00;03;16;21 – 00;03;25;08
Jon Mayo
So really it’s either Garage Band or Adobe, right? Depending on what platform use as far as what I’m familiar with. But yeah.

00;03;25;09 – 00;03;47;06
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’m a fan. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we were just we’re kind of playing around with it right now and I think that’s what we’re going to use, right? Audacity. Yeah, Audacity for main content piece. And then I think we’re going to launch with anchor. Anchor seems to have a pretty good platform where we could plug right in podcasting wise to launching, but we don’t like, we don’t know what we don’t know.

00;03;47;15 – 00;04;05;24
Jon Mayo
I don’t know anything about anchor I used by Sprout. Okay, I’m a huge fan. People use different things, so I think it’s kind of whatever you end up clicking into. And then use. Yeah, I remember looking at a few. I don’t recall why I chose by Sprouts specifically, but I’ve been happy with them as far as their they’re my directory, right?

00;04;05;24 – 00;04;21;01
Jon Mayo
So that’s where everything goes through. And I think there’s like I’m on 18 of the 20 directories like, you know, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, I’m on most of them. There’s a few I just don’t think are worth the administrative task of doing.

00;04;21;01 – 00;04;39;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But for sure, as long as you get the end result, which is delivering your message right? Mm hmm. I guess one of the medium you do it through and it’s reps right now, like all we’re doing is we’re doing the reps and we’ll figure out the process as it’s playing out. Absolutely. Like, let’s just get out there and start doing it.

00;04;39;11 – 00;04;40;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Just fall forward.

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Jon Mayo
That’s the magic.

00;04;41;11 – 00;04;46;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. And it’s just like it’ll let it do its thing as opposed as getting in the way of it.

00;04;46;03 – 00;04;55;17
Jon Mayo
Yes. In the end, if you just apply intentionality with that, then you’re good to go. Yeah, right. Like intentional of what did we like, what do we do, you know. Yeah, a bit of review.

00;04;55;17 – 00;04;56;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Some hours, if you will.

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Jon Mayo
Indeed. Did you serve as well?

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
No. Okay.

00;04;59;23 – 00;05;01;02
Jon Mayo
Some of the comments you guys made outside.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Huh? Yeah.

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Jon Mayo
I see we both have a watch or clock on.

00;05;05;11 – 00;05;09;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Our arms, just so you know what time it is. Yeah, I have to. Yeah, Yeah.

00;05;09;06 – 00;05;10;25
Jon Mayo
Need I check? And I’m like, Oh, I’m dying, You know.

00;05;11;21 – 00;05;28;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I got to get moving. I used to get that constantly. It’s, like, much just a band. I like a Doug the band I Doug, the artwork. And for the most part, the right arm is just it has all to do with elements of time. So it’s got the angel time. The Phenix just a fan of of Rebirth.

00;05;29;01 – 00;05;34;12
Jon Mayo
So am I. Big time. Look it out. Thank God for it. I can’t. I can’t get in and get. Oh, you can.

00;05;34;12 – 00;05;37;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’d have to. You going to shave? I know I’d have to shave it.

00;05;37;06 – 00;05;38;03
Jon Mayo
That this carpet.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Oh that’s nice.

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Jon Mayo
You can stuff to some. Yeah.

00;05;41;09 – 00;06;06;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Dude. So actually this is funny. When I failed Ranger School, I had the head shaved, obviously. And just for shits, I was like, I’m going to shave my arms too, because I had never shaved it before. And I mean, you see out here, there. Yeah. So right after it failed, we got to Fort Carson. My sister went to Boulder at the time, so I was visiting her one weekend and we were walking down one of the main streets.

00;06;06;20 – 00;06;27;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And this girl, I passed her to me like brush arms on accident and it was hot out. So as my bare arm against her bedroom, an accident. And then passing she goes, Don’t shave your arms. It’s really weird. And I was just like, I was like, Jesus, man, this is brutal as a guy. I guess I won’t. But I will say the period of time I did, it was very enjoyable.

00;06;28;09 – 00;06;29;06
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Maybe I’ll get back to that.

00;06;29;06 – 00;06;30;10
Jon Mayo
What did you enjoy about it?

00;06;30;27 – 00;06;48;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It’s just smooth, you know? But I guess I didn’t like the maintenance of it. But then the weird, awkward phase of like, it’s two weeks, you know, since I last shaved my arms. Then it gets weird. So anyway, I’m sorry to kick us off. And the prickly part, the the spouse doesn’t like the prickly part of throw out.

00;06;48;13 – 00;06;55;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. So that’s the. And I’m just like you, him, your Harry as all hell. So it’s a daily shave getting.

00;06;56;11 – 00;07;04;12
Jon Mayo
Yeah. When I got the tattoos on my arm over my leg my least favorite part is the shave and then the hair growing back. Yeah so I don’t know. I’ll keep it natural.

00;07;04;12 – 00;07;05;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. It’s funny.

00;07;05;08 – 00;07;15;01
Jon Mayo
There’s a tendency with the mix into one. I like to walk around them, you know, and you’re going over years, so you can just either raise it or just be intentional to kind of keep it under it.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
A little bit. Am I?

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Jon Mayo
Get here? Yeah, Whatever makes you comfortable. Okay, great. But you just want to kind of be intentional about that for the audio side. Okay, I’m going to make love.

00;07;23;14 – 00;07;23;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
To the mic.

00;07;23;29 – 00;07;26;05
Jon Mayo
If that’s kind of it. Man. We’re intimate. We get a.

00;07;26;08 – 00;07;32;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Deep, slow us real close. This episode brought to you by CCS Stamina.

00;07;33;00 – 00;07;34;18
Jon Mayo
Yeah we all had one that was fun.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
AS Yeah, it’s good, you know very good love event. So let’s talk about.

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Jon Mayo
There’s much.

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Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
To talk about. Yeah.

00;07;44;14 – 00;08;01;21
Jon Mayo
There’s family table investments, the universal learning approach. We already kind of mentioned CSU and jujitsu building young men, right? I think every call is caring about the next generation as a young part of our conversation. Yeah. So what is there not to talk about?

00;08;01;21 – 00;08;23;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean, that’s we in what we shot yesterday, we were kind of talking about that a little bit and it was more on the like societal distrust, I guess, and the how did we get here portion, which I don’t know, maybe we can we can start with that. Like the arresting. Yeah, the eroding of, I don’t know, character.

00;08;23;24 – 00;08;35;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I guess within the last X amount of years we attributed some of it to social media. You know, I’m sure there’s several different factors, but how did we get here and what do we do.

00;08;35;13 – 00;08;57;16
Jon Mayo
To fix it? I think the second part is the most interesting to me that there’s a tons of guessing and then documented stuff on some of the things have been happening since the seventies, right. And to lead us to here. But one of the things that I was thinking about because I went way deep in this about like a year and a half ago and I realized I wasn’t productively being part of the solution.

00;08;57;24 – 00;09;24;23
Jon Mayo
The more I went into what was leading us here and the derision. So at least for myself, I’m hyper focused on how can I create this strength, unity and like positive energy I want in the world and then emulate that through my family, my community, And by hyper focusing on that, I’ve realized all of a sudden, despite everything tending to get worse, you know, air quotes, my life.

00;09;24;27 – 00;09;33;17
Jon Mayo
Yeah. In my community and the interactions I have in my outlook have significantly improved. And it kind of goes to that concept of you find what you’re looking for.

00;09;33;20 – 00;09;34;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yes.

00;09;34;07 – 00;09;37;12
Jon Mayo
So it’s like, Well, I’m going to just keep building something good. Yeah.

00;09;37;24 – 00;10;01;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. I think that I mean, that’s huge. The intentional part you mentioning, I mean, that’s everything. And building something that you’ve been looking for that flow seem is seamless as opposed to the resistance, which is another thing we talked about, which, you know, at so many levels, I was resisting certain things that I was feeling pulled by. One of them was even moving back to Colorado.

00;10;01;10 – 00;10;19;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I had always felt once we left I was like, Shit, we need to get back. And I think at some level, because you’re supposed to be closer to family, you’re supposed to have kids in a certain proximity of other family members to help. That’s just what you do. I was feeling pulled back and I’m glad we were. But for a while I was suppressing it right.

00;10;20;04 – 00;10;32;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I think a lot of people do that with certain vices. But just staying true to to that feeling, I guess, is important, at least from my perspective, when it’s the we talked about it on the drive up to it’s.

00;10;34;00 – 00;10;40;03
Jon Mayo
You just move it, man. It’s made for your comfort. You look like you’re just being inside for. I know.

00;10;40;09 – 00;11;03;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean, it’s terrible posture. It’s the when it comes down to it’s a it’s the recognition. It’s being able to I mean, you can’t we can’t move forward without recognizing what was done. But we can’t have that. I can’t stand the word, the normalizes. Like you can’t be it can’t be normalized. There’s no point in being normalized. If we’re evolving, we should be in a constant state of growth.

00;11;04;11 – 00;11;31;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I think through all of this is we have failed to realize as a society that there is a whole generation watching how we treat one another, the next generation. And I hold on to the belief that when we were going through what we went through these last few years, which in terms is predicated on, I think, decades of manipulation, it was just the war machine was right to strike when it had to strike.

00;11;31;25 – 00;11;41;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I think the only way to get past that is to not only recognize that factor, but to know that we needed this in order to get us to this other point.

00;11;42;12 – 00;11;43;24
Jon Mayo
And sort of the flame for the Phenix.

00;11;43;24 – 00;12;05;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right, exactly. And it’s just you need that the Japanese culture is a marvelous way of doing it, is you just need that brokenness in order for that light to penetrate through. And it’s but it’s being authentic to that and it’s getting back to being who the hell we are. Yeah. Which is a species. Yeah. It’s the late there’s labeling as just out of control and the.

00;12;06;00 – 00;12;07;25
Jon Mayo
The divisiveness is right.

00;12;07;27 – 00;12;47;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, exactly. And, and I think it’s what we were talking about I guess quite using the word think it’s getting to the point where it’s feeding us to be the consumer model. That’s what it wants us to do. It wants us to stop thinking, it wants us to plug and play and just to keep on going. Yeah. And any outlook towards it is deemed as especially with what we’re doing, the three of us, along with most of the others, is just trying to get this universal message across that like, man, there is so much more, and especially given our circumstances of where we’re at instead of I mean, you could look at this and say,

00;12;47;28 – 00;12;57;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
well, you’re not American because you go against the system, you push against this, you do this. That’s what this nation was founded on.

00;12;57;00 – 00;12;59;01
Jon Mayo
Yeah, that’s a weird statement. You’re not American.

00;12;59;11 – 00;13;17;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right? It is, But it’s like you’re like, deemed as like one an outsider. And it’s like. No, like I’m the one that’s trying to progress it. Like, there’s you can’t just sit here and just take it. It just doesn’t seem like it doesn’t seem it’s not life.

00;13;17;05 – 00;13;25;06
Jon Mayo
Yeah. And the it is where I think it gets really interesting because if the it is, we’re supposed to consume.

00;13;25;06 – 00;13;26;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
More.

00;13;26;14 – 00;13;58;12
Jon Mayo
Have more distrust, be more tribal. Right. I not feel safe. All of those things then that to me is the at that I won’t be right 100% but I will be someone who has and will continue to live a life that perpetuates the freedoms that we’ve safeguarded and safeguard the freedoms and rights that we have. Right. And in that, I think one of the things that is very American is the whole melting pot concept of genuine, healthy inclusivity.

00;13;58;15 – 00;14;18;20
Jon Mayo
Yeah, not how that’s been weaponized, right. But if we are all looking at life as this perspective of we’re on this journey and everyone’s trying to find their way home, how can we help each other on that journey? Yep. And how can we create an environment where we all feel free to engage in that pursuit, right? And to live fully and like?

00;14;18;20 – 00;14;38;22
Jon Mayo
A huge thing for myself is how do we unleash human potential? How do we help people live intentionally so that they can realize that there’s this whole art form to life in living it, like learning how to lead a maximized life in which every moment you’re just sucking the marrow from the bone of the goodness that we have and all around us.

00;14;38;28 – 00;15;05;20
Jon Mayo
Right. And if that’s the message, then I’d say, what’s American is the creating of that value, the creating of those communities. They’re welcoming people in with open arms to that end and engaging in the uncomfortable conversation as to even see things that way. Because like so many people are so terrified from the divisiveness and the scarcity that they feel that they don’t see the abundance all around them and the people with open arms.

00;15;05;20 – 00;15;25;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’ve been one of them. Yeah. I mean, over the last I mean, since we got out of active duty in 2019, you know, whenever we were active duty, we were more directly impacted, let’s say, on a daily basis by certain policy and how that affected us and our resources and everything. But after that, I just kind of kept my mouth shut because I didn’t want it.

00;15;25;10 – 00;15;47;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Whether it was, you know, family or in-laws, people would give their opinions. And, you know, I may disagree with it, but simply because of that, some of the divisiveness that was out there, I felt that I should just keep my mouth shut because, you know, I might disagree with something and I didn’t feel like it was the right place for me to even express that.

00;15;47;22 – 00;16;10;20
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And that alone, that suppression is like, that’s un-American, right? Everyone should be able to express that no matter where they are, who they’re with. But I think a lot of that fear that perpetuated over the years is like, you know, it’s unfortunate, but I think everyone has to collectively, you know, get over that and find the sense of community where we can all help each other because we’re all just trying to do the fucking best we can.

00;16;10;22 – 00;16;23;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s it. You know, at the end of the day. And so we are we good with profanity on this? I don’t know how we are. We hold well, I just opened the can of worms. I just. I just. It’s being reserved. I’m not going to go. Yeah, I think it slips.

00;16;23;24 – 00;16;31;27
Jon Mayo
It slips if it comes, if if it needs utilize things appropriate for the constitution. Yeah. If it’s effective, cool for being lazy about it. I tend away from that.

00;16;31;27 – 00;16;32;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;16;32;19 – 00;16;39;19
Jon Mayo
You know, like it’s a verbal tic, but I think all words have value if applied intentionally.

00;16;40;03 – 00;16;41;20
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I like that. I never thought of it that way.

00;16;41;29 – 00;16;57;29
Jon Mayo
So that’s what I’ve been shown. The boys they’ll hear. Yeah, they like to be part of our we call it the Iron Wrench Murder Club. They like to come out and Jeremiah came out in fart this morning, you know, and I still watch and walk farther than men towards the end of the morning. Yeah, Yeah. You were here a few weeks ago.

00;16;57;29 – 00;16;58;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. Yeah.

00;16;59;10 – 00;17;03;27
Jon Mayo
And there’s sometimes things just happen where they’re going to hear words, right? Because you’re fighting.

00;17;04;07 – 00;17;05;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yes. Yeah, right.

00;17;05;27 – 00;17;13;27
Jon Mayo
And they know, like, these words have purpose. They have meaning. And I’m not at an age yet where I have the freedom to make those decisions.

00;17;13;29 – 00;17;14;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;17;14;07 – 00;17;16;24
Jon Mayo
Because I’ve revoked that freedom until they’re older.

00;17;16;27 – 00;17;17;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;17;17;12 – 00;17;21;29
Jon Mayo
And so but, but they understand that and I think it’s healthy, Right.

00;17;22;03 – 00;17;42;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So it’s you being your truest version to your children. It’s there’s that model or people was like you curse as much around your kids and I’m like I keep it within level. But it’s also I got to be true to who I am when they’re around me. Hmm. Who am I going to do it? Play a shadow person behind closed doors and then then go out and see somebody else.

00;17;42;17 – 00;17;47;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Then they’re going to know that their world is not to be trusted because Dad can’t even hold true to his form.

00;17;47;12 – 00;17;50;02
Jon Mayo
Yeah, and those kids watch what we did.

00;17;50;07 – 00;17;50;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;17;50;21 – 00;18;06;14
Jon Mayo
Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I. I see my children doing things now. That makes me happy that I see as a reflection. A few years ago, I saw them doing things that made me despair. Yeah. In roles as failing them. Yeah. So it’s nice to have done that course, correct?

00;18;06;20 – 00;18;28;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, for sure. That concept in and of itself is extremely important for me about to be a dad because I mean, I even remember growing up and my parents were good examples, let’s say. But you know, you tell your child to do something, but then you don’t do it yourself. That accountability that on a grand scale is dangerous.

00;18;28;10 – 00;18;53;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So I think that lack of self accountability across the US and I guess the world I think plays a part into where we are today as a society. So. Yep. Gotcha. Anyway, uh, what, what are your thoughts on that? I guess you mentioned. Okay, your, your boys were doing stuff you didn’t like. How did you recognize that? And then what did you do to change that?

00;18;54;25 – 00;19;16;10
Jon Mayo
Yeah, So the authenticity piece I think is the heart of it. Yeah. Because when we were serving together, I realize there’s a, I was shown a very genuine part of myself and serving them with everyone I was with. But I had these like, masks. So like that was one version of me. Then there was no me, and then there was church me and these different social groups as different versions of me.

00;19;16;10 – 00;19;40;26
Jon Mayo
And part of a lot of that came from a survival mechanism growing up and just needing to know how to behave in different circumstances. So that got me into what I think is unacceptable. Waters And I needed to do significant life changes based on that. And the realization was starting to click for me and some things cooked swiftly and some slowly.

00;19;41;16 – 00;20;12;15
Jon Mayo
But there is one night where I just had an interaction with one of my boys in the middle of the night, and I realized from the things that he was seeing and hearing, that I was somehow letting these I was somehow letting these feelings and dreams and experiences he’s having into our house by failing to do my job as a proper head covering and protector of my house, I was not creating the peace that was required for my children to thrive in my wife, to thrive.

00;20;12;15 – 00;20;35;29
Jon Mayo
So that was probably the big wake up call for me where I was like, I don’t know what, but everything will change because this will not continue. And then there’s things that are easy. Like, Dad, you want to be here. And I just walked out and the first thing the morning or then pretending to drink like I’m drinking when I’m with friends, you know, And those things just started adding up or I didn’t like it because they’d also be working out.

00;20;35;29 – 00;20;48;03
Jon Mayo
They’d also be doing these other things. So it wasn’t all bad. Sure, I don’t I don’t like that my four year old’s pretending to drink a beer with me. Yeah, if I’m doing it that much, where they where I hear them playing, pretending to drink, that’s a problem.

00;20;48;06 – 00;20;48;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;20;48;23 – 00;21;00;29
Jon Mayo
So I. I mean, I haven’t had a drink this year and I won’t this year, but it was things like that. You just start to see it and how they treat each other, how they treat, you know, my wife, their mother.

00;21;00;29 – 00;21;01;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
How.

00;21;01;03 – 00;21;15;12
Jon Mayo
They respond and just process things. You can just begin to see what type of environment you’re cultivating. Sure. And now they’ll challenge me. They’ll they’re respectful, Right? Jeremiah came out and met. Greeted.

00;21;15;13 – 00;21;17;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, he’s right there at the door shaking the hands.

00;21;18;05 – 00;21;30;05
Jon Mayo
And so like, now they’re doing things where I’m in this new challenge and it’s beautiful of said one to answer your question just paying attention to those things that I don’t like and not stuff in them. Yeah just you know they’re just being kids and ignoring it.

00;21;30;07 – 00;21;30;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, but.

00;21;30;24 – 00;21;34;23
Jon Mayo
Saying, no, that’s not okay. That’s on me. Yeah. Everything in my house is on me. Yeah. Period.

00;21;34;25 – 00;21;36;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s huge. Yes, sir.

00;21;36;01 – 00;21;41;19
Jon Mayo
So like that piece and then now it’s man have challenged me on anything.

00;21;41;22 – 00;21;43;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s great. But they should.

00;21;43;02 – 00;21;48;06
Jon Mayo
Yes, they should. Yeah. And remembering as they should, right. Yeah. I’m raising them to challenge me.

00;21;48;07 – 00;21;48;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Exactly.

00;21;48;24 – 00;21;56;03
Jon Mayo
In an effective, appropriate manner. Yeah. And that’s in healthy. Yeah. Right. And that’s we’re working through it now. Yeah.

00;21;56;14 – 00;22;07;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Well it’s how you break down the archetype too. So it not only becomes, it doesn’t become a power play, it becomes a community play where this is all about us. Like, I don’t know what the hell we’re doing either.

00;22;07;17 – 00;22;08;04
Jon Mayo
That was beautiful.

00;22;08;04 – 00;22;32;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But if we go together, we could get through this. Yeah. And going back to yours, to me, it was energy. I could just feel it inside the house. And growing up in a place where you could feel the weight on your shoulders. Yeah, there was too much commonality to go back to there. And it was getting to that realization where it was enough is enough.

00;22;32;29 – 00;22;56;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
This is all on you. You have let your standards slack, even though standards my standards as slacking are exceptional to the modern person. But to me it’s not enough and it’ll never be enough. And it’s like I need to make sure that their voices deliver throughout their entire life, that they find their conscience. They keep with it and they follow their path.

00;22;56;22 – 00;23;19;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And that’s my biggest, I guess you could say, battle as a father, and especially to me, it was all the bullshit that came prior to them was set up for the delivery of them. Like all this adversity, all of this, everything. It was an it was a generational battle that has nobody has had the balls to step up and fight yet.

00;23;20;02 – 00;23;40;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So it was deconstructing that person. And ultimately it was my wife that was the one that ultimately set us free. So she was the one she had belief in me when I didn’t believe in myself and no, I had no desire to believe in myself. I couldn’t see it. Yeah, but it it made me raise that new level, especially with the girls.

00;23;40;16 – 00;23;47;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
We really welcomed me to my consciousness and they gave me that version of the future self to go and chase, not just.

00;23;47;23 – 00;23;48;15
Jon Mayo
Know interesting for.

00;23;48;15 – 00;24;13;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Them, but for me. Like the voice, the whisper that’s always been there throughout my entire life just became very loud. Yeah, you could say it’s like, All right, well, we’re going to have to chase this. And the whole time you’re chasing it at the beginning, it’s very cumbersome because you’re raising your standards, but you’re trying to do the best to keep the innocence of your child.

00;24;13;28 – 00;24;40;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Hmm. Because you’re not trying. You don’t want to adapt and set the adult world teaching too soon. It’s going to take those little reps, the planning and of the seeds and the big transition I felt as a father to my girls is that age where they come out of the pure innocence, where life actually shows up and your dad becomes He’s still godlike, but he’s no longer a god.

00;24;40;26 – 00;24;45;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Now he’s human. Now he’s now the parenting starts. This is when people check out.

00;24;45;24 – 00;24;48;22
Jon Mayo
Yeah, and that’s the problem. Their go, They’re old enough. Give them a tablet.

00;24;48;24 – 00;24;49;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, exactly.

00;24;49;29 – 00;25;07;00
Jon Mayo
But they need it more than anything. And don’t get me wrong, when my kids have, like the Amazon fire tablets and stuff. Sure. Yeah. But we don’t parent them through that, right. So they. But they get to enjoy it now and they’re all doing it together right in the same room. We don’t have sparks off and it allows me the time to do this.

00;25;07;08 – 00;25;19;20
Jon Mayo
So like not pooping on the tool. Yeah, but that’s when they need it most, right? The other evening one of my sons was angry, which happens a lot with boys.

00;25;19;20 – 00;25;20;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I’m ready.

00;25;20;29 – 00;25;28;11
Jon Mayo
Yeah, it happens, man. You just have to get to out quick. Yeah, Yeah. That’s always my opinion. It’s. It’s zero or two plus.

00;25;28;11 – 00;25;30;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, yeah, that’s funny.

00;25;30;06 – 00;25;51;22
Jon Mayo
But he, he just was angry and we’re in. Then he’s like, I’m stressed. And we just started talking and unpacking what he was feeling so that he could be armed with the words to actually express what he was feeling because he didn’t have the tools to even express it accurately. Yeah, he’s like, You’re not stressed. I can see that, but you’re something.

00;25;52;12 – 00;26;07;14
Jon Mayo
And we were able to go through and I was able to explain different words that identify different emotions and what they feel like. And we found the one that he had. I don’t recall what it is now, but once we found it, you could just see the way just him being understood, Right?

00;26;07;17 – 00;26;08;06
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Recognition.

00;26;08;06 – 00;26;31;18
Jon Mayo
Yeah, just that recognition. And then he he’s using all the words from that right now. Right. All those different emotions, whether it is, you know, anxiety, unrest, a lack of peace, discontent versus sadness. Serkis able he’s learning how to identify them now. So it’s like, wow, like that opportunity could have been missed if I was angry because he was angry and it was bedtime.

00;26;31;18 – 00;26;39;04
Jon Mayo
And I’m tapped out and I’m ready for him to go down so I can do my evening things. And that was a win night, right? There’s not always when night.

00;26;39;06 – 00;26;40;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s apparently night.

00;26;40;03 – 00;26;41;08
Jon Mayo
Yeah, it was a good night. Yeah.

00;26;41;09 – 00;26;52;06
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I feel like I could sit here and just learn from you for so long, which is so great, because I’m sitting directly between you. I feel like this is parenting one on one. Like, I’m just taking mental notes right now. It’s great.

00;26;52;06 – 00;27;01;07
Jon Mayo
What’s fun? Exploration. Yeah, right. Because I like the way you articulated seeing your higher version of self through your kids. That’s really interesting.

00;27;01;11 – 00;27;01;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Because.

00;27;02;07 – 00;27;21;27
Jon Mayo
The kids called out to me to be the best version of myself, my children, but I didn’t see the best version of myself in them. I saw the capacity for good or for damage and I chose in like one of the things I reflect on daily is I will raise my sons to be better men than me like that.

00;27;21;29 – 00;27;47;18
Jon Mayo
That’s the standard. So and I’m working every day to be the best version of myself. So it’s going to be the highest standard I can possibly accomplish with my life. And that is what I want them to be. They’re stepping grounds right in, coming in to like a lot of the conversations on like, wait, waking up and being of a light on the hill, being a voice for life and unity and strength and bring people in and then have real dialog about problems, right.

00;27;47;21 – 00;27;52;24
Jon Mayo
Opposed to just the divisive side like all of that plays in heavily.

00;27;52;29 – 00;27;53;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;27;53;14 – 00;27;55;12
Jon Mayo
To do fast to do that.

00;27;55;28 – 00;27;57;08
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
If that was adopted I.

00;27;57;08 – 00;27;57;21
Jon Mayo
Remember it.

00;27;57;21 – 00;27;59;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.

00;27;59;28 – 00;28;03;23
Jon Mayo
Okay. Sorry. I started to lose my train of thought and it was really painful.

00;28;03;23 – 00;28;06;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
There you got it. Came back to.

00;28;06;02 – 00;28;24;13
Jon Mayo
Your point that seeing the version of themself. Right. And like, I believe in rebirth and my, my motto is like, who would I be if I made all the right choices in that person? Met me on my deathbed. Yeah. How big would that gap in if I had to stand accountable for every one of those choices, which I believe I will?

00;28;24;19 – 00;28;55;17
Jon Mayo
What would that conversation be like? And how heartbroken would I be to see what I could have been? Yeah. So now my entire thought is close that gap, right? And in so doing, I am more and more equipped to love my wife and then my children and in that order. And that’s even important to me. Yeah. So it’s fun to see how I was able to create my ideal, which became my true North to follow as like the highest version of self to pursue in in service to others.

00;28;56;01 – 00;29;04;04
Jon Mayo
And you saw yours reflected in your children. So I guess it’s the same just different interpretations of it. Yeah. Same source, different reads.

00;29;04;12 – 00;29;22;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. And I mean you can’t, you don’t want to put the weight of it on the kids too. So that’s I mean we’ve all been I mean, me personally, I mean that’s the last thing you want to do is give demons to your children. Yes. Will it happen? Everybody has their own stuff to deal with. It’s going to happen.

00;29;22;13 – 00;29;50;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But getting back to what you said with your about with your boys is making them I told Tim this the other day is making them the mental assassin, which they could dissect because of all the training we’ve done prior, They could realize that they could separate emotion from feeling, from being able to progress themselves. And the ultimate goal, me personally, is to I feel like I’m just the connector.

00;29;50;14 – 00;30;13;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’m just the connector of the broken child to the future self. My emergence is where it needs to happen, and that’s where the potential just becomes completely unlocked because you no longer become human, you become energy, you’re everything. And that’s something that you could leave with your kids should something happen to us, because tomorrow’s not guaranteed that you could still have a place within them.

00;30;13;29 – 00;30;42;08
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So they could go to the mountains and go see that they could just go and just have those conversations still with them and I think a lot of that is missing in modern society, especially from the male counterpoint. Mm hmm. Yeah. It’s just it needs to have we’re not supposed to be civilized and we become civilized. And that’s the biggest mask that I wore that just was completely detrimental.

00;30;42;14 – 00;31;02;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
What do you mean by that? So you’re just saying, like, fitting a certain mold? Yeah, And I’m not. I’m not saying, like, civilized to the point. I didn’t mean to step over it. It’s not civilized to the point where you’re just going out and creating destruction. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’m looking at as I’m looking at John’s books right now, Peterson talks about it is knowing that there is a monster inside of you.

00;31;02;28 – 00;31;26;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, but being able to harness that monster. My children have seen fragments of my monster. But it was also, I believe, necessary because now they know what dad’s capable and he’s a protector. Like this is the monster that sits inside of him, but he has the capacity to go at any time to unleash it for the better good of protecting us.

00;31;27;23 – 00;31;49;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I think we hide ourselves from that, from our children. We try to play this perfect model, which is just completely absurd. But my girls love my flaws. Yeah, they absolutely love my perfect model. Like that is what they then learn of how to be an adult from you, right? And yeah, and that’s where it’s backwards and it’s eroded over time on a grander scale.

00;31;49;05 – 00;32;09;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But back to what you were saying, John, is fulfilling that that potential, that gap between where you are now and your fullest potential. And my letter talks about that. Yeah. You know, in his final day, you know, comparing what that is, you know, his force potential to where he is if that was adopted on a on a grander scale.

00;32;09;10 – 00;32;25;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right. It starts in the household with you and your children and your family and then your community. And then that just spreads. If that was adopted, you know, as a whole, then we’re not where we are currently. Right. But that lack of accountability, I think, is huge. Now, people don’t want to be accountable.

00;32;25;03 – 00;32;32;07
Jon Mayo
And there’s no way, in my opinion, in my estimation, that that accountability can start anywhere, you know, aside from the self.

00;32;32;14 – 00;32;32;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;32;32;28 – 00;32;44;08
Jon Mayo
Like they just I don’t think it’s possible if I had to focus just on burning off my own deadwood and killing off the parts of me that didn’t work, feeding the right wolf, whatever analogy you want to go with.

00;32;44;08 – 00;32;44;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;32;44;23 – 00;33;01;29
Jon Mayo
For a couple of years where I dared not look beyond just crushing myself towards in, you know, in just working forward, I couldn’t trust myself to look outside of that the best I could do love my wife and shoulder during that, but was like, I need to just fix myself.

00;33;02;00 – 00;33;02;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;33;02;17 – 00;33;30;15
Jon Mayo
And then what actually shifted it for me where I realized, okay, this is expanding is what I was seeing reflected back to me and my family and my my friend group. And as it started that started to shift. That was like a catalyst to lean into and trust in that Right. And all of this concept, in my mind boils down to intentionality, accountability, and relentless action.

00;33;31;13 – 00;33;51;26
Jon Mayo
Because if we were those three things right now, there’s the awareness from the emotional intelligence side and the introspective side. There’s the creating creation of beliefs through even accountability, right? Because if you’re truly introspective and holding yourself accountable, you can’t shut out that voice that says this was wrong.

00;33;51;28 – 00;33;52;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;33;52;17 – 00;34;14;21
Jon Mayo
So it starts to create those beliefs that can be honed and harnessed and grown upon and then relentless action because otherwise it’s useless. Right? Time is all on your arm. I’m a huge believer of every second is spent preciously or ought to be. And the only thing that gives me peace is when I’m in a consistent state of relentless action.

00;34;14;27 – 00;34;41;20
Jon Mayo
And if you don’t mind, one caveat to that they just learn to articulate like I rise at 340 and go till about 10 p.m.. That’s my average day, and I pretty much don’t stop except for intentional pauses. I have throughout the week an amount, you know, just things for health that I do have baked in. So it’s intentional and it’s not like the Guardians just grind out everything.

00;34;42;11 – 00;35;00;15
Jon Mayo
So I’m saying it’s just the time spent for right right in. I realized especially building the EULA and just the amount of work that goes into that and the demanding job that I have and love and Jiu-Jitsu and family and all the things that make life, life. It’s so easy to feel rushed.

00;35;00;15 – 00;35;00;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;35;01;06 – 00;35;28;04
Jon Mayo
Or anxious in it. And I had learned for a long time, but for some reason the verbiage really clicked for me that I’m not racing to anymore. Like to any finish lines, everything. This is like the only finish line that I can perceive and it’s the horizon I can see is when I die, right? So I do have mile markers that I want to get to, but why would I waste this conversation thinking about building the website thing about being with the kids?

00;35;28;11 – 00;35;47;18
Jon Mayo
And then I’m there thinking about the next thing and the next thing in any form in which the anxiety clicks in. I just realized who said being anxious makes you capable of getting more done, being stressed doesn’t help you get more done. And when I heard that perspective that because I was already feeling content fairly much and I was able to check it a lot.

00;35;47;27 – 00;36;02;16
Jon Mayo
But what’s really changed me because you just this week, even when it clicked in, it’s like I could be completely mellow, moving through these same tasks without any feeling of pressure to get it done.

00;36;02;19 – 00;36;02;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Know.

00;36;03;12 – 00;36;16;10
Jon Mayo
And if I’m in that mindset, I’m going to have a clear perspective and be capable of getting more done right. And I’ve been testing it the last couple of days and it’s been phenomenal. I bet, because I’ve the rash was just completely self-imposed.

00;36;16;16 – 00;36;28;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Can I ask you something? Yeah. How how did you build that muscle up? I’m sure Obviously it’s a lot of intentionality, but how did you build that muscle up of being present and not getting lost in the future of the past? Because that’s very difficult. Yeah.

00;36;29;09 – 00;36;50;24
Jon Mayo
So I think like the detail that clicked at the end was that just those words clicked for me of like because I was reading The Go Giver, which is phenomenal. Yeah, really good. I read the whole series twice in a row and I’ve read a decade ago and then rediscovered it and didn’t realize how much of my life it had affected in the parts I was missing on any I That’s where I got the he gets more done than most men half his age.

00;36;50;24 – 00;37;14;06
Jon Mayo
It was the quote from the book is that well, he seems so relaxed those who do that. And the person just quipped back, whoever said being anxious or stressed or rushed gets more done. Yeah. And that that clicked for that. And I think it’s just a matter of like the couple of years ago we were talking about right when you saw those things that you didn’t like and you saw your ideal self and your daughters, you paid attention to it.

00;37;14;29 – 00;37;34;06
Jon Mayo
And the more you pay attention to it, the more it speaks to you. So I think that you can’t be aware of what you’re unaware of. But the second you gain an awareness of like, I’m feeling this way, right? What do you do with that? Is the choice you have. So like to answer your question specifically when you’re feeling anxious, Well, how do you become self-aware?

00;37;34;06 – 00;37;53;24
Jon Mayo
Well, there’s no way I know of to just become self-aware. It’s what you do when you have self awareness that then respects that self awareness and welcomes it back or just fades away and you’re just in the habit of finding that way. So it’s in my mind, you reward yourself for realizing it, but like, Oh wait, I’ll pause.

00;37;53;24 – 00;38;01;12
Jon Mayo
I see this and I don’t know what to do with that. Or maybe I do whatever, process it and then keep going and then it comes back more.

00;38;01;16 – 00;38;01;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;38;02;14 – 00;38;12;01
Jon Mayo
Kind of. As you’re talking about brand with the conscious, right? Yeah. It’s just that self narrating voice that helps. I go, Wait a second, I, I was talking fast. Why?

00;38;12;18 – 00;38;12;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;38;13;05 – 00;38;17;23
Jon Mayo
I’m here for this. Yeah. You know, and just even as we talked about it, feeling that peace.

00;38;18;14 – 00;38;45;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s amazing. I mean, seriously, it is. I think that’s something to master, right? And that’s something that I moving out here wanted to focus more on, which is being present. And what’s the book for me are totally the power of now He he has a good a good book on that but the concept of time not really being real in terms of that was important to me too.

00;38;45;26 – 00;39;12;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Staying present. And then everything started to feel a lot lighter. Whenever I would recognize myself getting too far into the future or in the past. Staying present. It makes everything so much lighter, in my opinion. So service it starts with progress. Yeah. So progress gets you present. Yeah. I think is the biggest thing. And yeah, I mean I don’t necessarily say I’m anxious or stressed, it’s just the labels that sometimes I put on them.

00;39;13;02 – 00;39;34;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But I’m a proponent of internal pressure because that causes me to go to action. It destroyed me prior in my prior life, but this version of myself that I’ve built, it’s a calling in a way. It’s something where I’ve been told, like, you put way too much on yourself. And to me it’s like, if not me, then who exactly?

00;39;34;25 – 00;39;54;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And so it’s getting to it’s chasing something that will never be caught because I don’t want to catch it, because I want my children to possess it. So it’s it’s maybe in the guide, but in order to be the guy that I need to be my own hero. And so it’s building this archetype, this character within my mind.

00;39;54;23 – 00;40;07;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean, when you go through this, it’s a higher version of yourself and it speaks to you daily. And there’s moments where, especially if you’re fucking up and it all tell you like, Hey, bro, like.

00;40;07;29 – 00;40;08;17
Jon Mayo
What are you doing?

00;40;08;18 – 00;40;30;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’m turning. I’m going to turn my back on you. If you keep on going like this, you’re going to lose me forever. And it’s one of those where it’s like, okay, none of this. There are no coincidences. This doesn’t come by accident. And it’s that realization that this is this voice that you’re hearing is bigger than just your self.

00;40;30;19 – 00;40;54;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
This is the network that you’re tapping into where we’re the connectivity piece to all of us. And you could feel when you go out in society, I mean, you have a crap day and there’s just some days where the network is off. The network does not feel it, but it takes those individuals, especially during those times, to say, all right, well, we could do something about it, like we can’t do it, man, we can’t do it massively.

00;40;55;06 – 00;41;15;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But we could do it from an individual standpoint. And that’s where I hold the value to the household, is just that it’s everything is perception, especially to the child and the in my daughters, I always say like, Dad, I want to be I want to be an adult. And it’s like, you know, you don’t want to be here.

00;41;15;24 – 00;41;40;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
No, you don’t. All right. Now, right now you don’t want to be here. You want to you need the tools first, because if you skip the process, which I did, then you lose your I think most people do well, you lose your child. I wasn’t. I was put in a position where I just didn’t have a choice. Just life came at me and it was just like, I mean, there’s so many others that are that have been like that, but I’m losing my train of thought right now.

00;41;40;27 – 00;41;52;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But it’s it’s the right it’s that view of how we see the world is a direct reflection of our internal internal aspect.

00;41;53;25 – 00;41;55;29
Jon Mayo
In and how we see that.

00;41;56;09 – 00;41;57;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
We can say, no, go for it.

00;41;57;14 – 00;41;58;16
Jon Mayo
No, you did it.

00;41;58;26 – 00;42;28;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean, and it’s just and I try to display that on a daily account going back from being objective as opposed to subjective, where it’s just like, okay, these people, maybe they just have a crappy day, maybe this just and Tim and I were joking about it the other day and I just told them I was like, all these a lot of these people treating people that the way that they do this is just all internal chatter.

00;42;28;16 – 00;42;50;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yep. Like, imagine they’re going to sleep with that person. Their spouse is seeing that person. They’re the ones that are in that household infecting that household. And it was and I’ve been both parts. So, I mean, I know that and I know it’s there’s two muscles. You either activate the progress muscles or you activate the drift muscle. You drift muscles much more heavier.

00;42;50;25 – 00;42;56;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it takes one very little thing to go and complete this and this thing. Okay.

00;42;56;08 – 00;43;22;17
Jon Mayo
It’s about at least resistance. Mm hmm. I saw that. I got excited a second ago when you mentioned that your world view is essentially completely in control of yourself. Right? And like, what you see is what you’re you’re conditioned to see in other way. I heard that. Which I’ve really loved, is most people project their view on the world as a as a judgment, but they don’t realize that it’s actually revealing their character.

00;43;22;20 – 00;43;23;07
Jon Mayo
Yeah, Yeah.

00;43;23;16 – 00;43;24;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And exactly.

00;43;25;04 – 00;43;47;12
Jon Mayo
It’s like they’re they’re casting judgment upon themselves and revealing who they are, whether that’s positive or negative. And that’s really been strong because I had just earlier been talking with a buddy who’s talking about how he thinks things are going to shift. It’s getting harder scarcity and danger and all these things. And it’s like, well, I don’t know.

00;43;47;15 – 00;44;08;21
Jon Mayo
I think it’s what you look for and what you consume. And then I saw that quote and sent it to him later after we had had this full conversation. And he’s like, Holy crud. Yeah. And like, it was really powerful. It was powerful for me when I read it, because reflecting on that conversation, remembering just a couple of years ago how I saw the world versus then and now I’ve felt so much free, more free than I did.

00;44;08;21 – 00;44;22;07
Jon Mayo
And, and one of the things I realized is whether we call it energy motion doesn’t frankly matter. But that we read it off each other, Right? Yeah. My hope is that when you came into the home, you felt like a like a release, a calm.

00;44;22;08 – 00;44;22;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;44;22;28 – 00;44;30;08
Jon Mayo
You know, and we’re intentional in cultivating that and we pick it out. Positive, negative, calm, anxious.

00;44;30;15 – 00;44;30;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

00;44;31;12 – 00;44;53;08
Jon Mayo
And that’s really cool because you can project that and create that. But it’s also very dangerous because if you’re not incredibly intentional about it, you can be moved by it as well from others. And one of the things that I still focus on is I will receive and analyze the emotions of others, but I will not allow that to dictate how I feel.

00;44;53;17 – 00;45;21;21
Jon Mayo
I will still determine how I feel regardless of their feeling. And I need to come to that decision a few months ago because I was dealing with so much negativity through a number of individuals not in my home, but just with work. And we were making progress and things are improving and things are healthy. But in the conversation of jumping into that trench and working together through those things, I was getting married and spun up and all these things also on a low level outside of my consciousness, right?

00;45;21;21 – 00;45;23;10
Jon Mayo
But it was happening. And then I realized.

00;45;23;24 – 00;45;24;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That.

00;45;24;18 – 00;45;40;10
Jon Mayo
Between every stimulus and response is the gap of choice. And I just have been missing that gap because I didn’t see it. But now I’ll go, you know, if I see someone’s text or whatever, I can engage, I can empathize, I can understand, I can work through that, and then I can choose that it will not affect my emotional state.

00;45;40;20 – 00;45;52;12
Jon Mayo
And that’s been incredibly powerful because the level of impact I’ve been able to have in conversation since then has at minimum left me much more free to respond, to, not react. And that’s been very healthy.

00;45;52;16 – 00;46;23;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That recognition is massive, right, Because that’s something that doesn’t come natural. I think it’s so much of your environment shapes who you are, obviously who you surround yourself with, but that recognition is huge. So not letting the external circumstances or somebody else’s bias affect your internal state. Building that muscle up is is massively important and massively important. And I think based on what we talked about earlier, it all starts with that recognition.

00;46;23;00 – 00;46;35;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So recognizing that understanding, there’s that gap. You have a decision to let that affect you internally or not. That’s these are all breakthroughs. I wish I could just listen to this on repeat over and over again. It’s kind of fun. Yeah.

00;46;35;23 – 00;46;38;11
Jon Mayo
Because by nature of us recording it, you’ll be able to.

00;46;39;00 – 00;47;02;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s true. That is true. That’s why podcasts are beautiful. It is ugly. Yeah. Yeah. But with the negativity piece though, too, is these relationships become so much more powerful. Mm hmm. That’s the beauty of it. Like when everybody’s seeing scarcity and you’re seeing opportunity, you find this, this is whatever this thing is, we all have our different labels on it.

00;47;02;26 – 00;47;26;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yep. God, universe, anything it find you and I want you, but you can’t. It has to be authentic. Otherwise it’s very destructive on both ends. I have a question for you guys and we talked a little bit about it yesterday, But I’m curious, John, your perspective on it this recognition and not letting the external affect your internal state.

00;47;26;19 – 00;47;45;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Some of that can be done, in my opinion, the difficult way, which would be cutting those people out of your life. But there’s certain people that you might not be able to cut out, but you have to minimize time with. I think for anybody who is caught in that state where maybe they’re now waking up and recognizing shed, a lot of my surroundings are negatively impacting me.

00;47;46;10 – 00;47;58;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
What are some things that you at least adopted to protect your your energy and keep that internal strength? What are some things you did?

00;47;58;05 – 00;48;21;29
Jon Mayo
Yeah. So thinking about that to jump into because we’re talking about the negative emotions and I think that’s even misleading because I think they’re just tools for that recognition, for that awareness. So there’s times where anger is the exact emotion I want to feel because it empowers me to an another level response. And there’s times where sadness is sweet, right?

00;48;22;18 – 00;48;45;04
Jon Mayo
So I think it starts with I think it’s equally dangerous to borrow someone’s happiness as it is their despair. Because if you don’t understand intentionally what it is that you were feeling, it can lead you to, Or at least it’s led me to foolish decisions on both ends, right? Whether it’s a good feeling, feel emotion, or a painful one.

00;48;45;16 – 00;49;11;20
Jon Mayo
So I think it’s the full spectrum that needs intentional response to the things I’ve done to protect the expenditure of energy. I think the biggest one that comes to mind is just turning the faucet off. I have played with this idea of like every relationship you could say is a bank or a line, like a line of grass, right?

00;49;12;13 – 00;49;36;05
Jon Mayo
And I like the idea of the grass because there’s a life to it. So you and I have this stretch of grass between us, you and I do now. And every relationship has it. And the health of the relationship can be seen in this metaphor, Right? But I can water the grass, I can fertilizer. Yeah. I can invest in our relationship that’s taking care of this plant in this metaphor.

00;49;36;19 – 00;49;56;15
Jon Mayo
And it takes all of my effort to do that. It’s not 5050 100%. So I’m either pouring it or not. And however much you pour in as well will shown the vibrance the relationship. So what I realized is I, at least for myself, I’m fairly intentional so I can maintain a lot of relationships by continuing to pour into a lot of people.

00;49;57;02 – 00;50;20;14
Jon Mayo
And when I start to realize if I feel out of sync or something, I just will stop for a week and see what happens and see who else is engaging in it. Right? And I found like for most of it, the people that I may not be able to or wouldn’t really ultimately want to in the big picture cut out, but there may be a need for minimization, things like that.

00;50;20;29 – 00;50;44;21
Jon Mayo
If I just stopped initiating the conversations, the relationship, the interactions, if I stop feeding into the aspects I didn’t like is actually soul crushing. The first time I did it because I lost, I felt the experience of loss of probably 90, 95% of the people who I thought were big in my life. A week went by, two weeks went by, months went by, 45 days went by nothing.

00;50;45;08 – 00;51;02;23
Jon Mayo
60 days went by, nothing. And then I was like, okay, well, now I know. Yeah. And at that point there was also those who did. And it changed my entire landscape because those who I thought I was closest to and everything else I realized were more born from my own perceptions than the reality of those who I could truly count on.

00;51;03;05 – 00;51;26;05
Jon Mayo
But over that, a couple of months of refusing to make first contact and see what happened, I my circle and with it my trajectory changed forever. And occasionally now I’ll just turn it off. Like if I’m like, Am I feeling this because I’m overextending or is it something else? I’ll just turn off with that single person because my circle is different now and I’ll wait and just observe.

00;51;26;07 – 00;51;47;28
Jon Mayo
It’s I’m not like punishing them. I’m just observing what the response is. If we talked every day and all of a sudden, I’m not reaching out, do we still have communication regularly or does it die off? Right? And that has shifted it all for me. Yeah. So I protect my energy by turning it off when I’m curious if there’s an issue and that runs the diagnostics for me, if you will, to see what’s going on.

00;51;48;06 – 00;52;07;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Wow. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I’m definitely for the cutting off. I mean, it’s just there’s too much of there’s too limited amount of space and time for it to not be justifiable.

00;52;07;24 – 00;52;09;16
Jon Mayo
He has to be got.

00;52;09;17 – 00;52;39;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Just keep going. Yeah. So, I mean so I mean long story short my children will never know my side of the family. That’s to the point. I don’t believe we should hold on to people because tradition. I think that’s bullshit. I just like you stepped away to examine it and there was nothing coming back and to me it’s why should I go and overextend myself to the point of letting the so-called monster back in just for the sake of tradition?

00;52;40;07 – 00;53;06;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I didn’t think that was fair, not only to me, but ultimately to my children. But it gets to a point to where I think it’s just life and you just get that experience and you’re just being a helper. You get to that stage, especially becoming a father where you’re just like, there’s moments and there’s times and there’s relationships.

00;53;06;25 – 00;53;25;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I can no longer help you because you’re not going to help yourself. Exactly. And I need to feed myself before I even feed you. And if you’re taken away from that, whatever that is, I can’t go there. I can’t go there for my own personal sake because I know what that leads to within the household, and I know where that it could feel.

00;53;25;12 – 00;53;54;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s I just, I think correctly ignition, please do again with it. But it’s you have to try to stand back objectively as much as you can. And going with Tim’s where Tim was leading with it is I mean these internal problems have been a long since we’ve been a species. I mean, we have the catapult to this realization of response was with the Stoics.

00;53;54;18 – 00;54;19;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So the Stoics put it in the play and regurgitated it over and over. And it’s been passed down through this species. And it’s just it’s I think to me, I feel it is imperative that you just some people, you just have to let go no matter what the history. Because often the history, as with any memory, lies to you.

00;54;20;10 – 00;54;30;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It’s fragmented. It’s not completely true, even though your mind says it’s true. Because how you perceive one memory, another person is completely different. Even though you went through this whole thing together.

00;54;31;07 – 00;54;31;18
Jon Mayo
That’s very.

00;54;31;18 – 00;54;59;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
True. And that’s what I was telling Tim yesterday with it is both of my parents were very lost and it made me it didn’t it took me becoming a parent to know the realization of the way that I was treated and my siblings were treated was because they had no idea who they were. Their whole identity was wrapped up in that household and they had nothing outside to give them justification for their own being.

00;54;59;21 – 00;55;22;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Hmm. And that’s where a lot of the frustration comes into the just the the last you know, but the substance abuse starts coming into it. There’s just so many different things, avenues it could lead down to. But it was with that realization where it was just like they had no idea who the hell they were. Mm hmm. And it’s it becomes heartbreaking.

00;55;22;00 – 00;55;42;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It becomes said. It is. And it it’s and it was to that where it was like, enough is enough. Somebody has to change this. Hmm. And it’s I don’t think these things are accidental by any means. I just think it was I don’t feel I believe tabula rasa is bullshit because I could see it in my own children.

00;55;42;14 – 00;56;03;08
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
There is a generation of echoes that stirs inside everybody, and these things are constantly being passed down from generation to generation with the hope that there’s going to be the one that stands up to it. And that’s what I tell my girls is, Hey, I’m just a code breaker. You guys are the code. You guys are the one who set us free.

00;56;03;25 – 00;56;06;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I just I was the one who just made the transition.

00;56;07;23 – 00;56;14;27
Jon Mayo
You know, the transition that sparks in my mind just be coming to awareness and becoming intentional, Right? Because I think so many.

00;56;16;22 – 00;56;16;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Look.

00;56;16;28 – 00;56;34;21
Jon Mayo
When I look at similar situations, I think they did the best they could without knowledge of an awareness of what they were doing or didn’t know they’re doing. So it’s like, okay, well, with awareness I can make choices, and with choices I can change things, right, and alter the code. And I’m raising my sons to have that awareness.

00;56;34;21 – 00;56;35;03
Jon Mayo
Now.

00;56;35;18 – 00;56;36;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
As children.

00;56;36;18 – 00;57;06;02
Jon Mayo
So they will, for their entire experience, know nothing but changing what needs changed and identifying those things and leaning into the things and safeguarding the things they want to keep, you know? So for them, this will be the most commonplace, right? And I think it’s just such a complex conversation. There’s there’s no like binary. This is right. This is wrong here because, like, I have friends I’ve been fighting for for years, going through hell with for years.

00;57;06;02 – 00;57;28;07
Jon Mayo
And I’ll do that until we’re in green pastures. And for whatever reason, I’m comfortable with that exchange and I know we’re going get through it, you know? So it’s a it’s the danger of the metaphor use that I just wanted to ensure was corrected within the same conversation. Yeah. Is that it’s not you just shut it off and if you’re not getting something you’re done.

00;57;28;07 – 00;57;49;09
Jon Mayo
Yeah it’s it’s this moderation so that you can make accurate assessments of what you have to give. Because if you’re giving something that is in abundance, a cup overflowing, you never have to stop and you have to care for yourself to do that. Right? So, yeah, I have a couple of friends who are going through hell and I’m well, you know, over time, right.

00;57;49;21 – 00;58;09;15
Jon Mayo
And it’s irrelevant. We’ll deal with it. We’ll get through it. Well, we’ll invest the energy, we’ll work through it. But I can still see the heart is great. I can still see these indicators that make that for whatever reason, Good for me that we’ll fight through that together. And that’s very different than the unintentional abuses and scars that can occur.

00;58;09;29 – 00;58;28;27
Jon Mayo
It really I think for me, just that awareness can’t be overplayed enough. Yeah, because both guys were very like the two that come to mind for me. We were all very crystal clear, exceptionally clear on what was happening and the cost of it. So everything was intentional.

00;58;30;04 – 00;58;30;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
All right.

00;58;30;12 – 00;58;35;16
Jon Mayo
Let’s intentionally row, let’s go through it. It’s the unintentional chaos that I don’t tolerate it.

00;58;35;16 – 00;58;49;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Exactly. Yeah. No. And it’s after you saying that, too. I systematically turn the faucet off and on quite a numerous times. Yeah. And it was see what happens. Yeah. Then it was like, okay, interesting life experience. And it was.

00;58;49;23 – 00;58;50;15
Jon Mayo
I did it with him.

00;58;50;16 – 00;59;17;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. Yeah. I came back well I mean a Yeah, it’s, it’s very, you see where the true intentions lie and it’s like I’m all about depositing and the people I’m all about that can ask for very little withdrawal. But it’s you just, you have to get to that place. I think you have to set that marker in the sand and just be it’s a clear indicator.

00;59;18;00 – 00;59;45;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It’s like, hey, look, this is the way it’s going. Things have to change. And it’s it was me. I think the difficult aspect, especially with most of the people I know, is most people don’t know this version of me. They have that fuck up in there mind of that person that grew up of the tragedy that surrounded them and all that other like nonsense that was just gifts.

00;59;45;26 – 01;00;03;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
All that was was gifts. It was just orchestrating its way to my girls. And I told him this yesterday is like, did all this pain that we went through, it was all justifiable because I would not see my children the way that I do right now, that if I still have that, yeah, yeah.

01;00;04;05 – 01;00;11;12
Jon Mayo
Yeah. There’s no desire in my mind to change anything historically, right? But man, I’m. This is the best moment I’ve lived.

01;00;11;22 – 01;00;12;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. Like, yeah, for sure.

01;00;13;03 – 01;00;43;14
Jon Mayo
Each moment I’m like, This is beautiful. And the whole concept, like when kids say they want to be adults, you’re like, It’s beautiful. Like, my responses change over time. What it is now. It’s beautiful to be an adult, but you were in a gorgeous season and this is appropriate for me to experience right now. But you have your own time of life to experience right now and there is such joy in it and so, so much to learn and to participate in that this will come.

01;00;43;14 – 01;00;57;00
Jon Mayo
Let’s learn how to focus where you are and what is it that makes you want to be an adult. Let’s identify what you’re wanting changed right now that’s creating that desire. And typically it’s some desire for freedom.

01;00;57;29 – 01;01;23;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You got to keep them on Neverland. Yeah, just like Peter Pan. So it’s having those adult characteristics, but yet still having that childlike look at the world, that creative aspect, that that’s why that’s where we were talk about. And I’m like, You have the gift. You have what we need. Mm hmm. Your mindset right now is how I’m trying to perceive the world.

01;01;23;22 – 01;01;53;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Mm hmm. That’s how entrepreneurs perceive the world. It’s creativity. There’s no barriers, there’s no filters. It’s just how it is. And I think giving them those tools tactically to make that transition into their lives, to go to them, is very necessary. But it’s very challenging as a parent, too, because you don’t there’s no playbook. So you don’t you know, you’re you don’t know.

01;01;53;27 – 01;01;56;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You have one. Give it to me. You don’t know how much.

01;01;56;18 – 01;01;56;27
Jon Mayo
Money you.

01;01;56;27 – 01;02;22;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don’t know how much is enough, right? And just because I operate like this, I don’t want my children to operate like this. I want them to be in that blissful state. And yes, it’s going to come with a ton of bullshit, but that’s life. But it’s, it’s also that that coming to that this stuff is going to happen regardless.

01;02;22;23 – 01;02;32;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Mm hmm. I mean, it’s especially as a parent, all you want to do is protect, and then life shows up and you realize protection is a facade Yeah.

01;02;32;25 – 01;02;33;27
Jon Mayo
Prepare them for the read.

01;02;34;01 – 01;02;50;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Exactly. Don’t pretend the tools is there. And I mean, and it’s the response mechanism. It’s just like, let’s sit here with it and let’s digest it for a little bit. Let’s try to get as objective as possible that we can with this, or then how do we pursue this?

01;02;50;22 – 01;02;52;15
Jon Mayo
Yeah, and then it’s my step.

01;02;52;19 – 01;03;16;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, exactly. But it’s like we’re going, we’re still moving. Would you a question for you both. Would you consider a specific tool maybe being what I’ll call controlled adversity in a way, Because I look at that as a tool in terms of my own life. Any adversity that I had faced up to a certain point made me more equipped to deal with more and more and more.

01;03;16;13 – 01;03;33;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
ET cetera. But conversely, if you look at somebody, you know, not saying I’m better or worse than anyone, obviously, but if you look at somebody that maybe hasn’t faced much adversity at all and they’re lacking in that skillset and that that toolbox, they’re not as not as able and equipped to deal with certain things. So is that making sense?

01;03;33;29 – 01;03;40;23
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Like, do you look at that as maybe a tool that can be implemented in some way so it can adversity in itself? Yeah, like just.

01;03;40;23 – 01;03;41;24
Jon Mayo
Just for the kiddos.

01;03;41;24 – 01;03;50;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
In acting. Exactly. And acting like a certain form of controlled adversity in a way. And what that looks like, I don’t exactly know. But do you see what I’m getting at?

01;03;50;13 – 01;03;51;20
Jon Mayo
I certainly do. Yeah.

01;03;51;20 – 01;04;11;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. So maybe it’s a challenging sport. Jujitsu getting started with that, right? I was just about to say any type of physical adversity, it’s I tell them it’s when that voice arises inside your head. That’s the time that we need to go to war, because you’re going to have that voice. And if you don’t develop that muscle now with it, that voice will control you.

01;04;11;27 – 01;04;31;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And so it’s that recognition, peace. With that and the realization we talked about it on the drive up is that there’s two minds. You have your mind and then you have the human mind. And so the human mind wants to keep you comfortable, beat you down, tell you how much of a loser you are. It’s just it doesn’t go away.

01;04;32;04 – 01;04;59;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But I think getting your children to just know that they’re to be able to recognize that the internal chatter trying not to use I’m trying to use a different word, but it’s there just knowing that like, hey, this thing that’s here some it’s most often of the times is probably lying to me. And that’s not my voice. My voice is the one that says, that’s why I told them.

01;04;59;01 – 01;05;22;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’m like, Are you scared? Yeah. This is like, hard. Yeah, that means we have to do it. I said, Because what running does is run into muscle to and you start running from one little thing and it just becomes a state of you’re just reactive. There’s no proactive whatsoever with it. But I mean jujitsu, which Bella was in jujitsu since she was four.

01;05;22;19 – 01;05;47;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean it’s the other one doesn’t take so much to it, but to each their own. I mean, you can find adversity in anything. That’s the thing is everybody thinks like it takes this massive amount of being in a gunfight, being in it like there’s adversity is right in front of us in everyday life, and it’s what we choose to do with it is to me is highly admirable expression.

01;05;47;03 – 01;06;04;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
When you see it through children is you’re like, Damn man, you’re that young and you’re already on to something like, Good for you. Like the handshake. You had eye contact, like, Dude, you don’t even get that from men. Yeah, it’s crazy when you actually get a handshake that hurts and you’re like, Yes, this is how it’s supposed to be.

01;06;04;28 – 01;06;07;06
Jon Mayo
Just a firm shape. Yeah, Yeah. Look in the eyes.

01;06;07;06 – 01;06;14;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right? And it’s the first things my dad taught me here is this. Hold the door for people, bro. They got classes on it now. It’s not like crazy.

01;06;14;26 – 01;06;22;03
Jon Mayo
What people need to learn, right? Like into me. It’s like, okay, if you don’t know, then what are you going to do, right? Are you going to help teach them?

01;06;22;12 – 01;06;22;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yes.

01;06;22;21 – 01;06;43;29
Jon Mayo
Or mock them? And I was at a meal last night with a number of people, and in one of the individuals that was there was smack and the whole meal. So I’ll pull them aside and hey, it’s a good idea to shoot your mouth shut, right? Frickin grown man. Yeah, but I don’t judge him harshly for that because if you’re not taught it, you’re.

01;06;43;29 – 01;07;07;17
Jon Mayo
It’s a reflection of what you’ve learned. Yeah. So I’m just this huge proponent of I don’t want to thoughts. I’m a huge proponent of creating value and being the solution. So I don’t find a lot of value being created and just being judgmental and pessimistic and all these things. So if I see a problem, I, I want to either identified as a problem and leave it or identified as problem and fix it.

01;07;07;27 – 01;07;36;07
Jon Mayo
And my response is depending on what I believes to be appropriate to that circumstance. Right. That being said, I have no issue having enemies. I have some that that’s just going to happen. And those people are because we’re just on the opposite side of the spectrum on items that are core to who we are. Right? And those aren’t political things are outlook on life things, right?

01;07;37;02 – 01;07;58;01
Jon Mayo
So that’s all blended in there. But do I use adversity as a tool? Absolutely right. That’s why I do contracts or that’s why I did contracts. Now I’m in this stage of identity form of identity forging where I’m consistently working on. I do this because it’s who I am, not because of any external other thing. It’s either who I am or I’m not.

01;07;58;01 – 01;08;19;00
Jon Mayo
And if I say I’m am this and I’m not doing it over the course of a few days, then I get to have a reckoning to either adjust who I want to be or who I think I am, or my actions to make it who I am. Right? So that’s kind of fun. But I do that. I do that daily right through the early mornings, the Saturday morning stuff it.

01;08;19;00 – 01;08;40;10
Jon Mayo
There’s two reasons it’s so early. One is because it frees the entire weekend for all the fun That’s why I like that’s why the Iron Rich Murder Club is so early. But the other is because what a beautiful time Saturday after a Friday night after the supposed week, all of our cultural norms and the workweek, you’re going to wake up well before five because you often do 430 start time also, which is 430.

01;08;40;20 – 01;08;47;29
Jon Mayo
So you may be waking up pre four to come and fight in the dark, in the cold until the sun rises and then go about your weekend.

01;08;48;15 – 01;08;49;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Why fall?

01;08;49;24 – 01;09;24;09
Jon Mayo
Because that especially now, it’s just fun. I love it. But up front it was like, well Friday nights for drinking, Friday nights for all these other things. Saturday morning should be for sleeping in. And I care about that a long time ago. So now what’s fun is these people, like all my friends, regardless of where they are in their journey, a bunch of people are giving up their Saturday nights, changing their I mean, they’re Saturday mornings changing their Friday nights, doing all of this stuff to come and experience this adversity that they are in love with because it unleashes who they can and want to be and facilitate that all in one go.

01;09;24;20 – 01;09;46;22
Jon Mayo
So the same thing I do for the kids all the time when I see them genuinely under pressure and despairing from that, making any form of progress. I delight in the progress and will happily watch and not allow the pressure to stop until they have navigated it. But this is one of those other gray areas, right? Because it’s like, well, how much is too much or too little?

01;09;46;22 – 01;10;07;02
Jon Mayo
And you got to play with it. But I will not like my first response when I know that the kids are having conflict at school is to push them into that conflict. Hey, go engage in conversation. Go engage in this set. The boundaries for where respect or lack of respect will not be tolerated, but engage. No, I’m not going to help you go do this.

01;10;07;05 – 01;10;26;29
Jon Mayo
You’ve you’ve tried this three times or depending on the circumstances. Right. There’s no set rule. You have to like, adapt and do what seems right in the moment. And sometimes you’re wrong. But I will allow them to live in that like, the simplest analogy I can think of is that it’s a blizzard outside. We do the chickens, right?

01;10;27;00 – 01;10;29;05
Jon Mayo
We go take care of the animals. Absolutely not.

01;10;29;05 – 01;10;29;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Job?

01;10;29;22 – 01;10;47;25
Jon Mayo
Yep. You have the gear, dress appropriately, go handle it and do not cut corners because they’re relying on you for their life. Right. So it’s like then they get to learn and like they don’t even ask anymore. But then over the course of a few blizzards, they’re like, Dad, will you do it? You know? And now that’s my job.

01;10;47;25 – 01;11;05;02
Jon Mayo
Okay, now the pleasure comes on and I’ll come out. You know, I see them just zipping up the coast. That’s amazing. And they’re going to do it. And now they’re not scared of the blizzards. Yeah. Now they don’t associate that with a need to stay inside. Yeah. So, like, in that wave, right? Like, even as something as small as like, everybody go get the mail.

01;11;05;04 – 01;11;38;14
Jon Mayo
Right. Right. If you don’t have the animals. Yeah, we’re just let’s go for a walk real quick. But it’s supposed to go out. Yeah. You know, because, like, I’m thinking of circumstances. If you don’t have an excuse like feeding the chickens, but it can be done. And I absolutely utilize it heavily on myself. It’s my daily medicine. I have numerous means in which I put myself in self-inflicted diversity challenge, conflict, pain to ensure that the response is conditioned, such that when life throws it at me, I don’t even have to think about my response.

01;11;38;14 – 01;11;44;17
Jon Mayo
I’m in action and that’s been super helpful. Just living, right? Yes.

01;11;44;19 – 01;11;44;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;11;45;07 – 01;11;55;18
Jon Mayo
You just know what to do, right? Buddy gets hit by a truck and you know what to do. You just you’re. You’re taking action. You’re not. Oh, do any of wait for someone or anything, like. Yeah, it just makes it clear.

01;11;55;26 – 01;12;16;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s fascinating, because I think in everything you just said, you and your family probably represent 0.00001% of the population here. It’s changed and it’s it’s changed. And I agree. I think we’re okay. I think it’s moving in the right direction. Again, this is like the recurring theme. The episode should be called recognition and awareness. Right? Because it all starts with that.

01;12;16;25 – 01;12;47;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But anyway. Yeah, I find that fascinating. So thank you both for answering that because I just want to take in as much as I can in terms of being able to apply that to my own life and my son and future family’s lives. I think it’s it’s extremely important. I think just piggybacking on John’s is you have to set you can’t be weary of your decisions in front of your children because if you’re counteracting to them, if you don’t follow through, then why the hell should they follow through?

01;12;47;18 – 01;13;06;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
What’s that teaching them? Right? And so it gets to that. And it’s a I have to believe that I told them is you have to assert your will. You’re not going to get anything being nice. You’re supposed to be kind, but you also have to assert your will in this world and nothing is going to. You’re not granted anything.

01;13;06;26 – 01;13;28;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You’re not special enough for it to come and just show up to you. You have to go and get it. And it comes through confrontation and it also comes through which nobody taught me, which I’m teaching them is negotiation and selling. Like you have to learn how to have these debates and these conversations like, why the hell should I buy into your idea if you can’t even sell me your vision?

01;13;29;08 – 01;13;48;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So if you have something and I tell them all the time, like they’ll come up to me and they’ll be like, Dad, I don’t want to do this. So Mia, negotiate with me. Well, I don’t want to. Okay, well, then your words are poor choice words, and it’s not happening because what we tell ourselves externally, out loud, it plays out.

01;13;48;25 – 01;14;10;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So when they say, I don’t know, I’m fine. It’s much easier for a parent to say, shut the hell up, Go to your room, turn off this, turn off that as opposed to. All right, let’s sit here with it. What are we going to do with this? Because this is showing that this word, this phrase that keeps showing up is showing up for a reason because we’re not learning the lesson.

01;14;11;07 – 01;14;37;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So what lesson are we trying to learn? And it just it comes back to the teaching aspect of the you need the student to progress, as John alluded to, to outperform the teacher. That’s the whole concept behind it. It’s just to get them to the point where they no longer I would I relish for the day where my girls are, are adults and.

01;14;37;28 – 01;14;49;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
They just say, Dad, back the fuck off, I got this. Leave me alone. This is what I’m supposed to do. Like, that’s what I’m I’m putting my in for them to detach from me. Yeah.

01;14;50;15 – 01;15;13;22
Jon Mayo
Well, there’s this coming to maturity of learning to contend with your parents. And I think it’s very evident when someone has not done that right, because and I, like, I use the word content very specifically because it’s I can be competitive by nature. And I think that every word is essentially just this gift to us of immense power.

01;15;14;21 – 01;15;39;15
Jon Mayo
So I have a similar analogy that I fall, I think along the same thread of like negotiate, sell those things. In my mind, it’s that we are creators, that that is what we’re intended to do, whether it’s build a building or software, it doesn’t move relationship, it doesn’t matter. But we are meant to create and give and serve and that is the emphasis.

01;15;39;15 – 01;16;04;07
Jon Mayo
Can I create and provide more value with my life than could ever be expected to be received in return? That’s one side of this critical coin, though, because the other side is I also have to be receptive to other people’s pairings and gifts and giving to me. Right? Because otherwise, if I just give and don’t allow the reception piece, I’m cutting off the flow in an all breaks.

01;16;04;07 – 01;16;28;27
Jon Mayo
But in this in this of I can just give of myself freely and monitor where I’m giving. But no matter what the goal in the interaction is, how can I just pour myself into this right and be receptive to being poured back 17 initially and being aware and ready for it? With that mindset, I Think that there’s just there’s no end to what can be given.

01;16;29;21 – 01;16;58;07
Jon Mayo
And I don’t have the imagination to have received what I’ve already been blessed with. So I don’t expect to have the imagination of what to expect. So I just give it. So I’m working consistently on being one who gives freely and allows those who have the desire to give back to be receptive to that. And it’s creating this loop of peace and value creation, whether it’s in relationship in, community and monetary means.

01;16;59;03 – 01;17;17;05
Jon Mayo
It’s showing up in every facet of my life and respect and honor in the community and being looking for how may I receive this? Not in a like what can you give me, but in a if it knocks, will I recognize it? Well, I know that someone’s trying to invest back in me. Can I receive that can evaluate that?

01;17;17;05 – 01;17;36;29
Jon Mayo
Am I capable when I say can as in a might genuinely capable of acknowledging what’s happening and being grateful for it and allowing myself to give back gratitude while receiving instead of some perverse thing where it’s like, No, I’m don’t want to give something here. Yeah, right. And in that context with the kids, right. Poor choice of words.

01;17;36;29 – 01;17;56;01
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. I, I question them every time they say I think I feel or I believe I question it even if I know they’re using it correctly. Expect you believe that? Well, now I think that. Right. And now that’s a conversation we have. Oh, I feel like this. Okay. What how does that help us? Well, because it’s how I feel.

01;17;56;01 – 01;18;06;15
Jon Mayo
It’s like, okay, well, you know, and you just start pulling in third. Well, how does you feel like that help you? And it’s like, well, I guess it doesn’t help me as like, okay, well, you’re to the feeling. So what should that inspire? Hmm. Well, I don’t know. It’s like, Well, think.

01;18;06;15 – 01;18;06;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
About it.

01;18;07;06 – 01;18;22;10
Jon Mayo
And then come back. I feel like this. It’s like, Well, I know you told me what you feel like now you’re telling me what you think, right? There’s a difference. And then, Oh, yeah. And then that goes down and then. No. What’s belief? It’s something you can’t see, but you think is that you think enough that you want to take the step faith.

01;18;22;19 – 01;18;42;19
Jon Mayo
Right. And believe in it. Right. So it’s like those words all have these meanings in the intentionality and precision of speech is one of the things that I hope they carry with them and will navigate together. But even in our conversation, right, like I hear you say cell, and I’m like, and I’m thinking sometimes telling is precisely thing, right?

01;18;43;00 – 01;19;04;24
Jon Mayo
I’m thinking these all these things have these every one of these words has a extremely specific application will yield the maximum return. Right. And in creating something of value. So the perspective I have is even in this conversation, right, we get spend this time together, we’re going to talk about some of our adventures and what we’re envisioning building.

01;19;05;03 – 01;19;34;28
Jon Mayo
And we’re exploring each other right now. And in this exploration, can we create something of value together in the form of the foundation, which is the arena of our ideas as we continue, We’ve been weaving this resource for each other to pull from throughout this entire conversation, investing in one another just by nature of the time. So I feel like I owe it to you guys and will be incredibly precise in my speech to the best of my ability to correct it.

01;19;34;28 – 01;20;12;04
Jon Mayo
If I feel if I recognize that I’m off because that’s what’s required. Right in my I realized my life purpose, I believe, is to unleash potential, find ways to help others unleash potential to do with in myself to, you know, have that expectation for my family and whenever able serve others and being whatever that requires to allow the recognition to take hold in that awareness in the beginning of living an intentional life that leads to practicing the art of a maximize life and everything that goes into that.

01;20;13;11 – 01;20;34;27
Jon Mayo
So in all of this, it’s like there’s no need for us to fight until someone wants to destroy the means by which we exist, and that is stop us from creating value and giving. Short of that, they can take it. I’m not worried about it because there’s so much abundance around. It’s like you can take that, have this mindset.

01;20;34;27 – 01;20;57;13
Jon Mayo
We’ll talk about it and I’ll just go right here and created out of thin air where you fought and dagger dated it you’ve ruined it by what you what the, you know, the collective. You may be in this situation but it’s unnecessary. We can create it. Right. And there’s just so much power in that. Like right now we’re creating different entities, right?

01;20;57;13 – 01;21;19;00
Jon Mayo
Each of us are. You guys are creating family table and we’re forming and right now correcting the trajectory, refining it of what we will be doing when we’re not in this room together to. Stick man. There’s there is so much authority and power and so much energy in every word we share. I had better, I dare not say words and intentionally.

01;21;19;00 – 01;21;19;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, right.

01;21;20;09 – 01;21;24;15
Jon Mayo
And I carry that in with the kids because I’m like, who knows what they are perceiving for sure.

01;21;24;25 – 01;21;49;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I oh my God, that’s building this ecosystem, which is, you know, something that just gets me so energized. And this is kind of what we talked about yesterday, Brandon, is is paying attention to what energizes you. And in this case, it would be building ecosystem where we can serve and provide value and in a way with like a family act as a guide, you know, teach them to be better than you were and a lot of respects.

01;21;49;21 – 01;21;53;20
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So I think it’s that for me personally, just fires me up, you know.

01;21;53;24 – 01;22;17;28
Jon Mayo
And what I hear from you is not provide but create activism because there’s a difference. And I’ve thought a lot about like this piece specifically because if you provide value, then that and there’s a lot of things that do provide value. So it’s like in maybe your intent is to provide value, my mind is to create and in so doing, inspire others to, to create.

01;22;18;17 – 01;22;21;28
Jon Mayo
Because if I provide, then they.

01;22;25;03 – 01;22;25;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Won’t.

01;22;25;15 – 01;22;29;05
Jon Mayo
Have the opportunity to see that it’s created, that they’re capable of creating it.

01;22;29;08 – 01;22;32;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
They’re not equipped, they’re not equipped, empowering them to the level it could be.

01;22;32;25 – 01;22;54;07
Jon Mayo
Yeah, it’s giving it to them. Right, Right. And there’s times that that’s necessary. But if they can see you create the creation of it and observe that and experience that right. And see how it’s possible for them because they’re being told it’s possible for right, then maybe they’ll engage in it. And now there’s two people creating value and then three and then four.

01;22;54;07 – 01;22;55;23
Jon Mayo
And now there’s this ecosystem.

01;22;55;23 – 01;22;56;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Goosebumps.

01;22;56;14 – 01;23;05;09
Jon Mayo
Value creators who provide it with their very existence and then providing it also inspiring for the creation and creates this chain.

01;23;06;13 – 01;23;06;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That.

01;23;06;21 – 01;23;08;05
Jon Mayo
Grows with compounding interest.

01;23;08;05 – 01;23;36;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That is powerful. I mean, I’m not even joking. Like actual goosebumps just came just because thinking that that’s a huge difference, that providing versus creating because you are empowering through your actions. And as an example, that’s extremely powerful. It’s childlike. Yeah. The creation. Yeah. It’s just the it’s the art that we, that I seek every day. I mean, it’s through even through workouts, through anything.

01;23;36;14 – 01;24;04;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It’s just why do I hold out? I’m just I’m, I’m a I’m always questioning my belief system, my perspective, looking at it and saying maybe I have like, this whole thing wrong or maybe I’m not looking at this the way I should be looking at this. And it’s just it’s that internal dialog that I think so many have suppressed for so many damn years.

01;24;04;05 – 01;24;11;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And COVID real woke that internal dialog and people shut it back down. And that’s why people lash out the way they do.

01;24;11;17 – 01;24;12;17
Jon Mayo
What’s scary, man, and.

01;24;12;17 – 01;24;42;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Getting back to what John said is we could go back, it’s up to the sheep analogy. Yes, there is going to be sheep. There’s always going to be sheep. But maybe some people just haven’t been shown how. Right? And it’s like, that’s our our job is not to sit here and start to label and degrade these any of these people because regardless of how we feel about them or what we think about them, they’re still part of the network.

01;24;42;23 – 01;25;21;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
We’re still all connected. So if we could point leaders household wise out in communities on a localized level, the inspiration is limitless and it’s more of the scarcity that exists today, I think is bleeding towards opportunity, and people are starting to see that because they’re starting to recognize that maybe we had it all wrong this entire time, that maybe we’re not here to develop or we’re not here to fall in line.

01;25;21;19 – 01;25;49;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
However you want to be systematized, but to create. And I think that’s a birthright as a human being that we’ve been taken away to. And it’s it’s finally coming to that, I guess you could say internal conscious revolution that’s happening right now as a collective whole. And people are starting to feel not even just wake up, it’s just a feel that man, we are capable of so much more.

01;25;49;27 – 01;25;52;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It’s like this is we need to go in.

01;25;52;28 – 01;26;23;07
Jon Mayo
We’re walking with some giants who are helping forge the way, right? I’m sure there’s so many. And this is something I think about a lot is in identifying what how I spend my days right. What’s the fight? Right. And I realized, well, people have already started reclaiming masculinity and it’s almost as it should be. People have already started reclaiming the freedoms and safeguarding those.

01;26;23;07 – 01;26;42;16
Jon Mayo
Right. And I’ll do my part in each of these. Right. For just a healthy society with strong relationships and else and our freedoms to be preserved. But like, whatever it was, I realized for myself is like, okay, well, we have these giants doing it. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t, but it was telling me that’s not my primary, right?

01;26;43;05 – 01;27;05;04
Jon Mayo
And I just kept shifting through that and it kind of came full circle to this realization of, you know, a lot of time dwelling on how to live a life that creates value, which then became especially with the like the ideological arena and were war that’s going on and everything else, and everyone wants to levy their beliefs against the other so that everyone gets on the same page.

01;27;05;04 – 01;27;28;26
Jon Mayo
I realize like everyone’s trying to force down what they believe on down everyone else’s threats, right? What if instead I just focused so much on creating value in living a life that was attractive to attract others, that it was winsome that would win others over to the manner of being that I’m expressing with my life. Well, if that’s the case, then I never need to or never strong.

01;27;28;26 – 01;28;02;14
Jon Mayo
I would rarely need to articulate these thoughts unless asked because someone sees something that makes them curious. And now when they ask, I can talk about faith, politics, whatever they’re asking for reason, because they’re seeing something that’s captured the curiosity that they want to understand. And someone who’s seeking to understand God is receptive to hearing something that may challenge them or is calling out to them and can create within them the perspective to be willing to question something that otherwise their defenses would immediately be up.

01;28;03;01 – 01;28;30;21
Jon Mayo
So in my mind and since doing this shift, it has been such a gift because instead looking to have others see things a certain way or to see the value in something. I’m just so focused on creating the value I desire and meeting people where they are that I’m getting a lot of questions. And in those conversations I’m watching people change around me and it’s 100% of their own will desire and fruition, right?

01;28;30;21 – 01;28;32;10
Jon Mayo
It’s their choices. I’m not doing crap.

01;28;32;13 – 01;28;32;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;28;33;03 – 01;29;07;03
Jon Mayo
But they’re rising and then I’m rising and then we’re rising together and we’re creating this thing. Spoken or unspoken. It just depends of momentum and value for themselves in their own lives and ours. And because of that, our community, in our relationship and everything is rising. Because I’m not looking for how to defeat, persuade or anything them. I’m just to minimize the distractions and barriers that are in the way of allowing abundance to flow and my ability to give and provide.

01;29;07;03 – 01;29;32;25
Jon Mayo
And in doing that, people are attracted, right? Or at least my experience thus far has been very positive of whatever you want to be, be it and that will attract those who are curious Arabian and fiscal like fiscally, statistically with inflation stuff, things are a lot higher and right now than they were two years ago. But my view on the world has never been more positive to what we can.

01;29;32;25 – 01;29;33;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Do, you know?

01;29;33;27 – 01;30;07;20
Jon Mayo
Whereas two years ago it was very dark and scary. And what’s going to happen this winter? And, you know, so it’s like we truly can make a heaven of hell in a hell of heaven. And what if we could create abundance in the ability to live an exceptional life regardless of what our circumstances are? I think we have that, and I don’t think it’s a new concept, but how can I live that in a way that reaches people that may not have been reached otherwise and do my part in helping people experience this life?

01;30;08;00 – 01;30;37;14
Jon Mayo
Right. And there’s no it’s a very humble pursuit, the way I engage with it, at least it one, it’s humbling because you realize that affecting people’s lives, for better or worse, you don’t have a choice in that everyone does. So the more authority or the more people’s lives you touch, the more affect you have. And that gives me great pause because I don’t want to cause harm unintentionally.

01;30;37;22 – 01;30;55;09
Jon Mayo
I don’t mind causing harm if it’s intentional, but I don’t unintentionally do it. And it’s just interesting because all the things that spun me out before don’t matter. It’s okay, you can believe that. But how we’re going to create this right?

01;30;55;09 – 01;30;55;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;30;55;24 – 01;30;59;20
Jon Mayo
Why do you want to create that? Okay, so why are you why we bring it up? This other thing, Let’s create this.

01;30;59;22 – 01;30;59;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;31;00;10 – 01;31;12;23
Jon Mayo
And then whatever is being created ends up taking up so much bandwidth and has so much positive energy and momentum that there’s critical things, whether it’s politics or whatever, that we’re going to ruin everything before.

01;31;12;24 – 01;31;13;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Kind of subside.

01;31;13;28 – 01;31;35;09
Jon Mayo
They have no space to live, right? What we see politics on extreme opposites. Okay? We’ve spent this much time creating something of value, right? Whatever it is, relationship up a project at work, it doesn’t matter. We’re doing something. We’re building something. It has its own life. It has its own energy. We’re riding the momentum in that. So now it comes back up and it’s like, Wow, that’s really interesting I’ve never seen it.

01;31;35;14 – 01;31;50;05
Jon Mayo
It now there’s this receptivity to learn from each other, to see perspectives. It just goes to the wayside because we kill off the value for this other thing. Sometimes people will, but it seems to become less and less important.

01;31;50;16 – 01;32;24;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’ve never heard it described in that way in terms of creating that and then, you know, I don’t even want to articulate I don’t want to attempt to articulate how eloquently you just did. But that whole approach, perspective and pursuit is much, much different than I think most people are obviously used to nowadays, especially. But it is so value creation that in addition, as a result, it’s just it’s almost mind blowing to like really fully wrap your head around.

01;32;24;17 – 01;33;00;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But that collective effort is it’s, it’s such an amazing pursuit, right, to build that out and everyone can benefit from it in that way. So very well described. Honestly, the word that was ringing in my in my head the entire time we were talking was accountability. Because when you create this thing together as you’re going to create in this together, there is no longer the option of letting down you because you have so many others to pull alongside with you.

01;33;01;19 – 01;33;32;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I think there’s an immense in that. And actually, especially if it could be seen by our children, which obviously you’re doing your part too. I mean, it’s the tapping of it is is is unreal. And it’s I just we all need a mission in life. And if we have an ambition, if we have the mission to create, what barrier could possibly stop us.

01;33;32;13 – 01;34;10;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right. Yeah. And that’s ourselves. It’s getting caught in the noise, all the destruction, the anything else with it. And it’s also knowing, too, that is how these systems work. Like we need to know that our chemical systems are being put under war with these screens. We have to know where these mechanisms are happening externally. So internally we could have the appropriate response for it.

01;34;10;02 – 01;34;36;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
The hardest thing to do, not the hardest. That’s a bad choice of words. A difficult task to do is to stop, especially in a world that tells us to go and for us to be able to stop, to actually truly stop, I feel, is a tremendous gift in today’s time. And it’s to stop to the point of this pressure, maybe doing more harm than good.

01;34;36;25 – 01;35;06;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s knowing that where we’re going, we cannot see and we’re not supposed to see. That’s the whole idea behind it. It’s the cliché of don’t get lost in the goal, get lost in the process. And that’s you hear it’s right. You grow up and you hear so many things, especially when you’re starting down this journey and you hear scenes and you read scenes for years and they never click until one day.

01;35;06;27 – 01;35;31;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, and one day all of a sudden it’s just like this guy’s part and it’s like, Dude, I get it. I get what they were saying. And it’s going back to not looking back to the point of, I should have known this before. It’s getting it’s not bad. It getting relevant to the fact of dude, I got so much more to learn.

01;35;32;15 – 01;36;01;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
This is pretty awesome. Like, I don’t I don’t feel like I know anything, right? But I want to know everything and I want to seek and I just want to be an explorer and it whether that be of the mind of this earth with my children, I just I finally got in. I think it took me getting into my forties to finally have which is often said is I just don’t give a shit.

01;36;01;24 – 01;36;18;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Like I finally came to the realization that like, Dude, I need to live my life, like, I need to let go of a lot of this stuff that’s been holding me down, that’s been way that I took and it’s all me. I put this on my shoulders, but I’m the one that could pull it off, do as well.

01;36;19;15 – 01;36;40;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And the chip on the shoulder is a great thing. I’m not saying I’m not denying it to a fact, but there’s also we carry around a lot of weight we don’t need to be carrying. Yeah, we need to shed. And it’s for a man in this world we’ve been told not to, just to shut up, to bury it, and to carry the weight.

01;36;40;10 – 01;37;12;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
In my wakening, you could say, was to the higher self was when I finally get back in touch with my emotions. And my girls gave me that. Like they made me soft. Yeah, I know, I know they made me soft. But they it was intentional. All of it was an intentional it was a reawakening of something that I’ve been suppressing because to me, I feel that the emergence of this masculine and this feminine is my self, that I needed this.

01;37;12;16 – 01;37;47;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I was missing this emotion this entire time. I was just so damn focused and just putting your head down, beating yourself up internally, trying to get to this place where like the gods likes the godlike people that we look. I guess that people inspire to be nowadays and to me it was the emergence. But just that come to the realization is like, I don’t ever want to leave the deep waters, I don’t want to get out of there.

01;37;47;23 – 01;38;04;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Like that is the place where I can grow, where I can create, where I can teach others how to swim. I’m not going to I can’t save somebody from drowning, but I could teach them how to swim, you know? Go ahead.

01;38;05;19 – 01;38;31;20
Jon Mayo
I was just hearing you just expressing that freedom to have to choose because you’re like, I don’t give a shit. And then you’re talking about all these things you give a tremendous amount of care about. It’s like, well, really what I’m hearing the heart of it is you have it. It’s identifying the freedom to determine that which you will value and not and, and maybe things that we felt constrained to value for a long time.

01;38;31;28 – 01;38;38;12
Jon Mayo
That’s where the proclamation of I don’t give a shit about this is so powerful because even now you can the shackles of when you were forced to.

01;38;38;12 – 01;38;38;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You Yeah.

01;38;39;04 – 01;38;42;29
Jon Mayo
And you’re like, no I don’t. But really you’re just becoming more caring.

01;38;43;10 – 01;38;43;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;38;44;02 – 01;38;59;07
Jon Mayo
Because now you’re choosing what you care about and you’re caring about it passionately, so much so that you’re willing to say no to things that you thought you had to or were socially accepted to be done. So now you’re making a judgment of I will not invest my energy in this. I do not care. I will invest in this.

01;38;59;20 – 01;39;23;05
Jon Mayo
And that judgment sometimes needs protected and calloused. Even by that, I just don’t care. But in reality, it’s like it’s not that shit’s not given. It’s that I care so deeply about this that I’m unwilling to care about this. And I therefore choose not to. And me choosing not to is really mean. Telling myself, don’t dare even entertain it because I must care about this.

01;39;23;05 – 01;39;38;08
Jon Mayo
Right? Right. And so it’s just this whole like boom thing where it’s like, I care too deeply about this to drink. I no longer care about drinking. I’d wear that. I used to protect it. Right? And interests. And that’s just a really lightweight example.

01;39;38;08 – 01;39;49;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. By very definition, you cannot care about everything. It’s one of the things that I look back and I laugh about with the Army is everything’s a priority. So by very definition, nothing’s a priority, right? You have to focus on something.

01;39;49;19 – 01;39;50;16
Jon Mayo
Priority to.

01;39;50;16 – 01;39;51;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Give right?

01;39;52;01 – 01;39;59;11
Jon Mayo
Priorities as a word didn’t even exist a few hundred years ago. It was only priority until like late 1700s. And then they started polarizing it.

01;39;59;12 – 01;40;09;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting. Yeah. I haven’t reframed it in that context internally. How you digested it.

01;40;09;28 – 01;40;11;03
Jon Mayo
The care piece. Yeah.

01;40;11;12 – 01;40;47;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But it was it definitely I know where the power comes from now and so that’s where it, it’s, it’s intriguing. It’s something where you will definitely have to sit with it for a little bit. But it’s, it’s good to know. It’s not good to know. It’s great that it could be illustrated because that’s something detrimental to get into that new version of yourself, that constant pursuit.

01;40;48;29 – 01;41;09;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But I’ve never I know that’s a bad word. I haven’t yet discovered what you said until now. And the context with it is very illuminating. It went from a flashlight to a spotlight. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s it’s it I mean, that’s the great that’s the power of this.

01;41;09;28 – 01;41;11;02
Jon Mayo
It’s what we’re exploring.

01;41;11;03 – 01;41;11;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Exactly.

01;41;12;00 – 01;41;27;26
Jon Mayo
And that’s how honestly. Well, that is precisely why I changed the name of the show that it used to be called The Great Theory. And that was fun. I was like, I’m not experimenting about this crap. Yeah, Yeah. Like, I to add it to things. Yeah. Like, how do you get like, a lot of what we’re talking about?

01;41;27;26 – 01;41;37;05
Jon Mayo
It’s abstract. It’s it’s in the higher levels of it. Right? But what if you just know that you hate yourself? Yeah. What if you all, you know, you don’t like something?

01;41;37;05 – 01;41;37;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;41;37;23 – 01;41;54;25
Jon Mayo
And you don’t even know. You can imagine something that might be nice, but you don’t even know if it’s nice to have to even get there, right? Like in that context, that’s where Relentless came into play. I was like, You need to develop grit. That’s an essential part of the formula if you want to a maximized life. Grit is one of the things you need.

01;41;55;14 – 01;42;18;14
Jon Mayo
So I have no theory about this that’s outgrown. So what is it? Relentless, relentless work, relentless action, exploration and self accountability. Relentless period. Right. Just struck it. And what I love about the show itself is it’s relentless exploration. That’s not the title but that’s the intent when I think, all right, time to record for Relentless versus when I thought, okay, time to record for the grit theory.

01;42;18;23 – 01;42;39;29
Jon Mayo
It was like, well, I have to discover grit and see how I tell people was like the framework that the grit theory had created for myself that I could deny. But I don’t like the constraint of the name. So like with Relentless, it’s like, Well, I’m going to relentlessly an authentic, genuine conversation that allows us to discover things of value, create things of value, invest in our relationships, and make something that can be shared with.

01;42;39;29 – 01;42;41;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
The world.

01;42;41;03 – 01;43;07;14
Jon Mayo
Whether that’s exploitive, whether that’s talking about our businesses, whether whatever it is, I will not be idle nor allowed to pass by me. Unintentional Me. Instead, I’ll take out pursue relentlessly down the path that we discuss. Right. So I just it’s amazing the power of your name. Yeah. And one of the things that’s so interesting is we can’t I hated so much of who I was five, six years ago.

01;43;07;24 – 01;43;26;00
Jon Mayo
I start making the shifts that alluded to earlier. That was like the war against myself, Hank. The war against myself. I’m going to kill that motherfucker. And and that’s how I live as I wake up as a time to kill that side of me. He will never walk this earth again. And I’ve lived that for a long time.

01;43;26;16 – 01;43;45;14
Jon Mayo
And then when I realized that I had succeeded in conquering myself and forging something strong enough that resembled something I could trust to the course, to who I want to ultimately become, I kept running into this problem.

01;43;45;23 – 01;43;46;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Of.

01;43;50;04 – 01;44;09;29
Jon Mayo
Not being able to progress much further until I realized that the very thing I was I had conquered and needed to kill. I now needed to reincorporate into myself and I needed that out of that element of myself because there was very because it’s part of me and I can’t kill it. So how do I incorporate it healthily?

01;44;10;16 – 01;44;29;16
Jon Mayo
And then how do I make sure it never grows out of those proportions again? And that was incredibly powerful. Realizing that this thing I’ve literally been trying to destroy was now refined enough that it could be reincorporated and it should be welcomed back in because it’s me and the thing and I need to be the whole version of myself.

01;44;29;21 – 01;44;58;24
Jon Mayo
So I had to purify it because I had grown into something that was unacceptable. But I purify those tendencies in myself to the point where they were in the correct proportion to actually allow me to become more whole and therefore be more able to pursue things healthily given all those things. And with that shift so shifted it about the same time this shifted my look on how do I engage the world that’s divisive, how do I create unity?

01;44;59;01 – 01;45;22;20
Jon Mayo
And that all led me to the the value creation proposition, right? What’s a the sell it to me concept. Right. My version of that with the and state your intent tell me what you intend to do and think out loud with me. What is it that has caused you to come to this conclusion and sometimes like that and indeed this candy bar.

01;45;22;20 – 01;45;25;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Okay. And veto, right? Yeah.

01;45;26;13 – 01;45;44;04
Jon Mayo
But sometimes I’ll even play with that. Like. All right, think out loud. What? What draws you to the conclusion that you should eat a candy bar right now? That such that you intend to do it right, Because. And we’ll play it the conversation. Sometimes I’ll let them have the damn candy bar just because they did a good job explaining thoughts I thought they were just being flippant in.

01;45;44;11 – 01;45;50;24
Jon Mayo
Yeah, right. They may have it. Know that I intend to. Right? You got my attention. You’re doing what I asked you to do.

01;45;50;26 – 01;45;52;20
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right? Right. And sometimes it’s.

01;45;52;20 – 01;46;10;17
Jon Mayo
Childish like that, but there’s times where it’s like their intent to mow the lawn. And I think it is fair that you would pay me this much to mow this acre and this much to this third of a mile track. Okay. Why do you think that? What brings you to the conclusion on that value? You know, and all these things?

01;46;10;17 – 01;46;43;13
Jon Mayo
It’s like, right my one right or intent, you know, So it’s like I don’t need I want them my goal and I think we share the goal is we want them learn to articulate that which is needed to create the desired outcome that they’re seeking for sure. And not just be robbed of the opportunity to do that. And I was so combative for so long that I realized I don’t want to pass that to them out of the incorrect context.

01;46;43;16 – 01;46;53;04
Jon Mayo
This and jujitsu has really helped this whole year doing it as well, because I’m allowing myself. I’m along parts of myself that I’ve had under extraordinary lock and key.

01;46;53;29 – 01;46;54;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
To come out.

01;46;55;13 – 01;47;17;29
Jon Mayo
And in a healthy way and in a healthy way. It’s made it so that they that the full spectrum is becoming more visible to those around me and to myself. And that’s really powerful because now they can see a glimpse born from love with someone who I trust on the mat to fight hard. They can see a glimpse of capacity, right?

01;47;18;10 – 01;47;45;03
Jon Mayo
And then they see the element. So they’re there, they see capacity. Then they see the rage or intolerance of something that’s wrong in how I articulate a response to something that’s wrong. And then they can easily see what would happen if those two worlds had to collide and they begin to deduce those things. And I’m able to see how I can allow these aspects of myself to live vibrantly within myself under the proper control.

01;47;45;03 – 01;48;06;08
Jon Mayo
And that’s where the Jordan Peterson thing you mentioned. I think about that a lot. We are to be monsters under extraordinary self constraint, and that creates warriors who garden. You know, it’s rare to be a warrior in a garden that no gardener in the war in Syria, the those things all just tie together in. All right. Instead of thinking that you have to have.

01;48;06;25 – 01;48;07;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You know.

01;48;08;00 – 01;48;35;07
Jon Mayo
And this is affected my own soul and heart. Right. But instead of me thinking, okay, I need to go to my boss and negotiate and sell him to me on this promotion or compensation increase or something what if we just explored with the most value I could create is and that shared vision together of what? What could I do that would just be immensely valuable?

01;48;35;10 – 01;48;40;06
Jon Mayo
And then how can we even look to go beyond that? Then once we have that picture, simply asking what is that worth?

01;48;40;24 – 01;48;41;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;48;41;20 – 01;49;03;00
Jon Mayo
And then saying, okay, well obviously this is potential and ideal. So what’s fair to start today and how can we engage in this conversation consistently such that as we create it, we can also create the rewards of the desired outcomes, right? And it change the entire thing from it’s me versus him too. We’re creating this thing together, right?

01;49;03;07 – 01;49;23;23
Jon Mayo
That we now have mutual interest in, that we now both bleed into and invest into. And it’s completely removed from my perception, the defensiveness. So it’s like the same with them. It’s okay. You don’t you can just go and invest in the person and come out better in that transaction. Yeah, monetarily often.

01;49;23;24 – 01;49;24;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;49;24;12 – 01;49;27;03
Jon Mayo
Then if you know, just from that abundance mindset.

01;49;27;20 – 01;50;00;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You know, that’s a really good example. I think it’s a, it’s a good real life application of it. I am curious on what you alluded to earlier, because I think everybody has certain elements that that you mentioned in terms of certain tendencies that you reframed and you shifted towards like a more positive and beneficial aspect. Can can you talk more about what those tendencies were if you if you’re able to in terms of like what they were and how you shifted them, I guess does that make sense?

01;50;00;24 – 01;50;11;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Like you mentioned certain tendencies you had that you really disliked, that you then reframed and turn that into something that can be used for good. Does make sense. What I’m asking?

01;50;12;12 – 01;50;13;27
Jon Mayo
I think so. We’ll find out. Yeah.

01;50;14;24 – 01;50;15;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
The.

01;50;15;28 – 01;50;37;07
Jon Mayo
Because we’re just exploring together. Yeah. Right now. Right. And I think that the, the biggest piece that was missing was the whole, the whole view. Right. Every year has seasons. It’s not always going to be winter or summer or whatever it is you desire. And in the same, in the same vein, I really think that does answer the question because the thing that got me in the most trouble was the compartmentalization of myself.

01;50;37;21 – 01;50;49;04
Jon Mayo
And so of the incorporation of myself. So when I stopped allowing myself to over compartmentalize unhealthily and I forced myself to live in a reality where I’m one thing, it was horrible.

01;50;49;29 – 01;50;50;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
For a.

01;50;50;12 – 01;50;51;06
Jon Mayo
Long time.

01;50;51;06 – 01;50;51;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;50;52;28 – 01;51;08;13
Jon Mayo
And now, by the grace of God, it’s I’m I’m thrilled. You know, each day is beautiful to me. And that includes some very, very hard days. You know, there’s still I’m forever changed over. As my buddy says, he’s like buddy, you’re not on the spectrum. You are the.

01;51;08;13 – 01;51;10;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Spectrum. All right, So it’s funny.

01;51;11;00 – 01;51;39;19
Jon Mayo
But but to me, I think it’s taking the holistic thing because there’s times for selling in the case and advocating and and debating and conquering and winning are the correct option, period. And then there’s times where investing and giving and sacrifice being are the better option. And if I if I’m not careful, the best lens I’ve found so far for myself and I’m always tweaking as well, questioning how can it is it true, is it good that.

01;51;39;20 – 01;52;11;21
Jon Mayo
But the best one is if I’m looking to be the solution and to create something that’s positive or the best possible outcome of whatever the circumstance may be, that has helped me to identify more clearly when I need to engage in a comparatively as a conqueror or as someone who will take versus or defend right versus able to respond with grace and a desire to create and pull from the abundance around us.

01;52;12;09 – 01;52;16;13
Jon Mayo
And with that shift.

01;52;16;13 – 01;52;16;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
The.

01;52;16;18 – 01;52;54;07
Jon Mayo
Times that I need that I’ve opted to be competitive, has continued to drop and continues to drop. And I’m finding that more, more times. My response away from the creation and finding the way to do that together and build that is due to my own inadequacies at seeing how to utilize the tools appropriately to that end. So my insufficiencies caused me to be defensive or aggressive or default to something less positive.

01;52;54;08 – 01;53;00;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Sure, that makes sense that ID and recognition.

01;53;01;11 – 01;53;02;11
Jon Mayo
Recognition and awareness.

01;53;02;11 – 01;53;04;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right. Right. Well, it’s.

01;53;04;00 – 01;53;04;21
Jon Mayo
Funny because.

01;53;05;19 – 01;53;08;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I when you if.

01;53;08;03 – 01;53;16;15
Jon Mayo
You study like during Peterson or Jocko will anchor campaigns or any of these guys stories right now they’re big and popular or.

01;53;16;15 – 01;53;17;08
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Elon Musk.

01;53;18;02 – 01;53;22;27
Jon Mayo
Or Jeff Bezos it doesn’t matter right into icon here and you study their lives and you realize all of a sudden.

01;53;23;19 – 01;53;24;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Wow.

01;53;25;13 – 01;53;46;05
Jon Mayo
They’re just dudes who are doing simple things consistently, relentlessly over time. Yeah, that’s it. Yeah. It’s like great discipline. Yeah, right. Extreme ownership. Yeah. That these things like what we’re talking about, there’s nothing fancy here. And, and one of the things I really struggled with for a long time was who the hell am I that should have a podcast?

01;53;46;05 – 01;53;47;21
Jon Mayo
What do I think of myself?

01;53;47;27 – 01;53;48;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I know.

01;53;48;12 – 01;54;16;13
Jon Mayo
Yeah. Yeah. Frickin loser. I shut up in color. And then one of the reasons I did started it was to directly just say, screw it, get over it. Yeah, right. And then in doing it, I realized we talked about this earlier, but this whole journey concept, I don’t need to be a subject matter expert. I don’t need to teach from some pulpit to do the things that I want to do and encourage people to join me on the journey.

01;54;16;20 – 01;54;33;09
Jon Mayo
And in fact, even when I accomplish the things that I currently am working on in, that changes my elevation such that I could take authoritative response on a bunch of things. Right? That’s the last thing that I can possibly imagine wanting to do with my life.

01;54;33;09 – 01;54;33;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;54;34;00 – 01;55;02;24
Jon Mayo
Because then it’s going to put me in this place of espousing, which is very dangerous because I think it distracts towards stagnation that then start starts inhibiting the same growth and continued forward movement that keeps it relevant, healthy and whole, you know? So it’s like my whole solution has been, well, my no jack shit. Yeah, but what’s working for me today as I continue developing what’s been working and what’s being refined is this.

01;55;02;24 – 01;55;03;16
Jon Mayo
Do you want to join me?

01;55;03;17 – 01;55;05;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;55;05;03 – 01;55;08;03
Jon Mayo
Hey, do you want to help me unleash human potential? That’s what I’m here to do.

01;55;08;03 – 01;55;08;12
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;55;08;29 – 01;55;11;24
Jon Mayo
And this is how I’m working to do it. Oh, you’re working on that?

01;55;11;24 – 01;55;12;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

01;55;12;16 – 01;55;29;19
Jon Mayo
Man. How can we support each other? So now that we’re all helping people lead more intentional lives, and in so doing, learning how to lead a maximized life, how can we tap into the greatest resource we have, which is each and every human being, and allow them to gain that own self-awareness and begin on that journey for themselves?

01;55;30;03 – 01;55;32;27
Jon Mayo
How can we do those things right? And it becomes immensely fun.

01;55;34;18 – 01;56;25;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s a great resource to bring you back because everybody you’re going to lose your way from time to it’s necessary, but it’s when have that platform and that environment that you surround yourself with, it’s very less resistant to go and be pulled back because you have a community surrounding this thing that you’re pursuing. I think when you’re just dealing with the self, the trying to when you’re going through the process, especially initially because you’re looking at everybody, you’re looking at everybody, and then you start putting their programs into play and it causes so much damn frustration because you’re not seeing any of these results manifest to the way that you felt it should manifest.

01;56;27;00 – 01;56;49;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And so it takes digesting it to the point of I got to do things my way, but I don’t know what the hell my way is, because this whole way, this entire time has not been my way. I have been alluded to the fact that this is where I was supposed to go, but I’m not supposed to be here.

01;56;50;17 – 01;57;19;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So you you start with the compound effect. So it’s just the daily investing internally inside of yourself. And right now I’m at the stage where the exploration stage is. I’m not so much curious about people’s habits and routines. I’m more intrigued at how the how you come back, how do you shy away from the road and yet how quickly do you get back?

01;57;19;18 – 01;57;48;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah, because these high level performers can get back very quickly. A differentiator in that. But it’s not a bad choice of words. It has yet been expressed for another theme to be held within this personal development side to it. And I think it’s very interesting and it’s very tangible that we could put into our lives almost immediately. And I don’t know how what that looks like.

01;57;48;26 – 01;57;52;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I don’t know. I mean, everybody wants a checklist or something like that. It’s not going to work like that. Well.

01;57;53;10 – 01;58;16;16
Jon Mayo
We’re kind of I’m having the time of my life and something just struck me like a thunderclap, like this epiphany moment. And it’s directly in line with everything we’re talking about. Consistency. Yes. Relentless action. Yes. All these things are necessary. Those create this checklists for what worked for us in these different people. And I think a lot of it will work for most.

01;58;17;15 – 01;58;41;17
Jon Mayo
But I’ve had a lot of conversations with people who’ve done long term contracts who are doing these things, but there’s something missing. They keep falling off. Yeah. So what is the thing that’s missing? And as you were talking, I just it all started click to me. Everything. My life that’s kept me coming back right from every little from every deviation from working hours is what I’m working to create.

01;58;42;03 – 01;59;08;19
Jon Mayo
And I didn’t know that I was creating years ago, but what I was creating years ago in the pursuit of Find Yourself, which is still pursuit I engage in. But what I was creating then was the was hope pregnant, hope that was expectant of the possibility that it could be more than I was in. That was enough. And if I just would wake up and do this simple thing every day, maybe that would lead towards the potential of me being that thing.

01;59;08;19 – 01;59;30;02
Jon Mayo
So I was building, even just at the bare minimum, the ability to hope and go. And then over time, you know, it’s like, Well, I’m becoming this thing, so I’m building this aspect of myself, right? And then it stopped, become building myself, started becoming building my family. And then it was like, Oh, let’s build this business, you know?

01;59;30;02 – 01;59;55;03
Jon Mayo
And I realized like all the consistent action applied over time, discipline is going to be as helpful as doing nothing if you don’t have something to pursue. And in the pursuit of build. Right. And maybe the building is of yourself because you’re pursuing a version of yourself that you want to breathe into existence, right? Or maybe it becomes something more.

01;59;55;13 – 02;00;29;05
Jon Mayo
And to put it much more concretely, creating source solutions in the last couple of years of creating some seven businesses, there’s only one now. I’ve incorporated three of them into the one last multiple partners bought out multiple partners. Some are still great friends, some I don’t even talk to anymore. Right? Some are solo ventures. All these things that were in this exploration of what is my purpose and what vein should I be striking in, but in creating all these things, that was a critical element of what I’m now seeing, even expressing this as two parts of creation that were essential.

02;00;29;13 – 02;00;47;04
Jon Mayo
One was Who am I forging myself to be? And two is how am I creating something of value that could be shared and serve others? And in those two things, they swiftly became like DNA strands on separate able and they’ve morphed and formed over time in will continue to 100 times over my lifetime if I’m given time to live.

02;00;47;04 – 02;01;13;22
Jon Mayo
You know. But the power of creating from multiple investments, of creating the universal learning approach, or you are a universe in everything that I’m looking to offer there keeps me coming back because I will not dare not do my part to the best of my capability to bring that to people so that they can experience the thrill it is to live the process of journeying.

02;01;14;14 – 02;01;21;13
Jon Mayo
You know, like if I can create something that inspires someone to get on this path of just living intentionally and taking action.

02;01;21;24 – 02;01;22;18
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Oh my gosh.

02;01;23;19 – 02;01;45;17
Jon Mayo
Like that is a liberating feeling to empower someone to that end, to unleash that for themselves within themselves. And it just becomes as catalyst. I don’t do anything for them, right? Maybe it’ll inspire in them the desire to capitalize on the awareness they have to then spark off this trajectory change forever, and maybe they’ll change another family’s DNA encoding.

02;01;46;00 – 02;01;46;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It.

02;01;46;14 – 02;01;47;12
Jon Mayo
And it just grows.

02;01;47;21 – 02;01;48;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah.

02;01;48;08 – 02;02;08;02
Jon Mayo
But the that is kind of vague because it was exploratory, but to put it concisely, it’s you need discipline, consistency, checklists. The case is that helps you get to the direction. But all of that is only as good as your desire to build something that inspires you to take that action. Because its value is such that couldn’t do anything else.

02;02;08;10 – 02;02;27;26
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
That’s that’s kind of it eludes to what we were talking about a little bit yesterday, which was even if it’s just one person that we can help, you know, maybe a second or third order effect, somebody that was on the sidelines that had this idea of value creation in their own shape or form that maybe they previously were for any different reason not going to pursue it.

02;02;28;02 – 02;02;46;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You know, at a very minimum, if we can impact that person and help them to understand their own value creation and what that can be down the road for them, whatever it is, then we’ve done our job right. And so I think that, you know, and alongside of that, we are becoming better. We are becoming the best versions of ourselves.

02;02;46;19 – 02;02;50;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So I think it’s a it’s a beautiful explanation of it. Honestly.

02;02;50;04 – 02;03;13;06
Jon Mayo
It started for me with my son, for you, with your daughters. Right. All of a sudden you saw this reflection of what you were and you immediately saw what you ought to be, for their sake know, and you desire to build that in that version of yourself, to bring it into reality, to create that you so much that you were willing to kill off and change and transform and you evolve into who you are.

02;03;13;22 – 02;03;32;10
Jon Mayo
Right? But that what keeps bringing you back the feeling of need from from a conversation. So not not to assume I know the full expression of it, but is the desire to bring into reality diversion of view that best serves your daughters and gives you the peace in attempting to walk through life accordingly right.

02;03;33;09 – 02;03;33;15
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
In.

02;03;33;15 – 02;03;33;28
Jon Mayo
It heart.

02;03;34;09 – 02;04;00;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s knowing that this version is the version that most likely will marry. Hmm. And so it’s I’m I’m not required. This is my obligation to them this is my duty as becoming a parent is to fulfill this journey like it has to be. I’ve got a lot to think about, right? Well, I mean, it’s I always said my my arrival will be my departure.

02;04;01;16 – 02;04;28;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Like, that’s my time to go is when I know that I’m washed up and I’m done with it. And I’ve served my purpose to them. And with the business side of things, to me, I’ve done the same thing. So I’ve created three or four failed businesses, which have been very good lessons. Yeah, So it’s been a very good lesson to get into this point.

02;04;28;15 – 02;04;49;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But it was always with this crazy concept and this belief that this thing will become an entity and it’ll serve itself. Like if I put enough value into this thing, it will morph. There’s a great I told you about the books. There’s a great child’s book about it. Like, what do you do with the chance? What do you do with an idea?

02;04;49;24 – 02;05;09;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And they talk about this and it’s getting your vision to be shared by the rest of the world. And it’s having that hope, consistent hope, daily hope. This is going to happen. I can’t push it. I can’t prod it, because then I mess with the journey.

02;05;11;14 – 02;05;45;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But in the end, I’m just the I’m the proponent of one. It’ll take one relationship to make this thing manifest. It will take one relationship to the shackles of families generations. It will take one anything to go to get this thing to where it needs to go to and it’s but it’s also going back and showing my children and creating and leaving them a trail of breadcrumbs to know that like, Hey, this is possible.

02;05;45;25 – 02;06;15;17
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You can do this, too. That’s just a deranged, crazy person that went off the rails. But he had to come back to show you that it was possible. And it that’s my that’s my driving force to them is the day that they come where we truly have to have a talk about my story when they get to that age is for me, for them to look at me and, think there’s no fucking way that this guy came from this and became this.

02;06;16;16 – 02;06;41;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And to give them the power to say this was not me that did this, this you you were the one who to tapped into this thing. And I’m just right. I’m here for the journey, man. And it’s like, I want to, I want to become a master of me, but I want to become forever a soul seeker. Like it’s just then a lot of times it becomes when you’re on this.

02;06;42;08 – 02;06;46;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean, it’s crazy, but like, the trees become brighter.

02;06;47;16 – 02;06;48;12
Jon Mayo
It’s true. Yeah.

02;06;48;12 – 02;07;06;11
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You could feel the wind. You could actually feel sunshine hit your skin. You realize that there is a level above eight feet. You start seeing the moon for once. Yep. There’s so many different thing. I mean, it becomes. I mean, almost like a trip. And it’s just. It’s one of the. It is a trip.

02;07;06;20 – 02;07;07;01
Jon Mayo
It is.

02;07;07;01 – 02;07;36;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s, it’s just but it took them to finally break what this was and it’s I just my hope and it’s great being around individuals like you because it does show that there is that still is just for that and I talk about it is for parents to feel warmth and that’s where you hold their child and everything about you breaks internally.

02;07;36;01 – 02;07;51;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You could feel the squeeze inside. You could feel the warm is flowing within you. And at that time, you know, you’re completely vulnerable. And it’s such like an amazing feeling that happened. And it’s not a feeling. It’s an emotion. And it’s that connectivity piece.

02;07;51;09 – 02;07;52;29
Jon Mayo
And you had that knowing like.

02;07;53;07 – 02;08;01;20
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Man, you were here this entire time. Like, you’re the one that I was praying about when I was a teenager, that you were the one that I’ve been waiting for.

02;08;02;22 – 02;08;31;14
Jon Mayo
Yeah. And there’s something interesting in that because I’m not sure if challenge is the right word, but so So you said that they had the power to break it right? And that who you are today’s because of them. And I think that those things are fair, that there’s a piece of it I didn’t like and I want to explore it with you.

02;08;31;19 – 02;08;32;14
Jon Mayo
If you’re not a person.

02;08;33;06 – 02;08;34;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I’m up again.

02;08;34;09 – 02;09;08;29
Jon Mayo
So the piece about it that I’m wrestling with, even to to articulate is this concept of appropriate authority and power of these things. And what’s worth fighting for. And one of the things that struck me and bear with me for a minute, so one of the things that struck me about it is in seeing your daughters, right. And holding them and meeting them, you saw it broke the construct and created an awakening in which you saw something that you loved more than yourself.

02;09;09;10 – 02;09;36;27
Jon Mayo
And for the first time was a mirror that was a good enough reflection that you actually saw yourself in it. And in the combination of those things, having this shift in reality to loving something, caring something immensely more than yourself and seeing yourself, it created this extraordinary gap from what you then at that moment knew was acceptable and what wasn’t.

02;09;37;07 – 02;09;54;14
Jon Mayo
And because of that level of care and because of that awakening, you started to change your self towards what what you did do believe is appropriate. Right? And in so doing, some of the benefactors are your daughters.

02;09;54;26 – 02;09;55;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Correct.

02;09;55;25 – 02;10;00;06
Jon Mayo
And the thing that I said that I’m.

02;10;01;08 – 02;10;04;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You know, just thrown out there to.

02;10;04;04 – 02;10;44;25
Jon Mayo
Disagree with, for lack of a better word, is I think that you’re valuable enough to be worth that fight regardless of your daughters in that the gift the daughters is that they were the mirror in which you saw yourself that triggered the response. But the pursuit of who you are to be is invaluable. It’s priceless for yourself because in doing it for yourself and in climbing to the greatest heights in service and love of those around you and who you know you’re you’re meant to be, you get to lead your family and show that expression what’s possible in what’s beyond possible and all those other things.

02;10;45;09 – 02;11;18;03
Jon Mayo
And it’s fun because the way I would say the statement you did that is as on target as I could imagine and empower my children to be at the highest level of success that they could accomplish would be when I saw in you who I was meant to be, it broke everything that I was in From that day forward, I made it my mission to, become the best version of myself so that you had something that you could rest in, grow in, learn from, evolve beyond.

02;11;18;23 – 02;11;33;22
Jon Mayo
And it is my weight. I took authority over my own life when I saw that, and you gave me the gift of seeing it. And I will forever love you for that. But the journey, the power of the journey, the weight of the journey, the authority of the journey is mine.

02;11;33;26 – 02;11;34;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yes.

02;11;34;14 – 02;11;57;06
Jon Mayo
And it is not yours. And it is yours for you. And that is what I’m working demonstrate to you right in like, Oh, what’s different? I think that maybe just the way I heard the words. Right, Right. Yeah. Because You had the power to make me see myself when I got really good at not seeing myself.

02;11;58;15 – 02;11;59;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Very good.

02;11;59;06 – 02;12;22;04
Jon Mayo
And because I heard you’re right, you’re like, I could really hide from myself the compartmentalization thing. Yeah, I knew how to hide the pieces of myself. I wasn’t happy with. You broke that for me. And that gift set me free to take authority and power over my life again. And I’m grateful to you for that. And that also made me realize that I’m something worth fighting for, seeing what I could be for sure.

02;12;22;04 – 02;12;37;07
Jon Mayo
And in fighting for that, I’m freeing you to see your own value and how I value myself. And maybe that’s the piece I was really hunting. You will see your own value and how I value myself in how in turn beyond that I.

02;12;37;07 – 02;12;37;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Value you.

02;12;38;15 – 02;12;52;01
Jon Mayo
In that. Both of those conditions. Right. This full picture, this full spectrum of this complex idea is where it’s all created. But I, I don’t know if I articulated the the distinction. Well, no.

02;12;52;03 – 02;13;25;14
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I mean, I mean, I could be completely wrong with this. What I digested from what you were saying was that and they were the awakening. But it’s always been my mission and it wasn’t and it’s not my duty to give them a piece of that mission, because that can’t be part of that mission. That’s my mission alone. But in the surface of things, too, it is that wholeness that brings us together as well.

02;13;25;26 – 02;13;27;18
Jon Mayo
The gratitude is the word that comes to mind.

02;13;27;18 – 02;13;45;28
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s it was more I mean, I had it’s I had blinders on the entire time because I had the image of self-love, which is my spouse in front of me the entire time. And yet I just did a very shitty job at being a person to her.

02;13;46;11 – 02;13;47;02
Jon Mayo
Yeah, me too.

02;13;47;02 – 02;13;56;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And so I’m just learning. I’m over here, just learning all I need to know about becoming a father. But what that has to offer, I mean, it was just.

02;13;56;14 – 02;13;57;10
Jon Mayo
We’re journeying, you know.

02;13;58;02 – 02;14;21;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
We’ve got our just, our relationship matured so much more once we had children. Yeah, because we both weren’t shown either. We weren’t shown a playbook. So we knew like, okay, we’re probably not going to find the playbook, but that’s all right because we’re going to do it together. And so we’re going to rebuttal, we’re going to argue, we’re going to get pissed off at each other and we’re going to call each other out on our parenting techniques.

02;14;21;06 – 02;14;44;24
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Mm hmm. That’s that’s a must, especially if it’s a parenting technique that cyclical because that has to stop. And it’s what we don’t know. We don’t know. So we’re going through this evolutionary process together and you start to see your spouse and you just like it becomes like, Wow. Hmm, I had this shit in front of me the entire time.

02;14;44;24 – 02;15;18;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Like the my version of self love that I was chasing. It was right there for me. And it’s I always felt like I was the one that would go and change things. But it took a lot of time sitting with this too, for a lot of years that it wasn’t me who changed anything. It was her seeing the potential within me knowing that version before I even knew this creature and giving me it created a lot of a lot of frustration and anger towards the relationship.

02;15;19;07 – 02;15;37;09
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Because she was testing me, she was pushing me because she knew what I was capable of, and that for the longest time it was a get the hell away from me. I don’t need this. Like, what are you doing? It was The I the general response, the trigger, like, All right, we’re going. We’re going at this. All right, let’s go.

02;15;37;16 – 02;15;59;19
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s just But it was that conditioning as a child to just build the wall, shut it down, attack. And so it took her and especially with the kids where it was, I mean, had an epiphany and then so yeah, and it was just like, wow, you know, absolutely nothing. And that is a great starting point, isn’t it?

02;15;59;26 – 02;16;35;14
Jon Mayo
It’s so it’s interesting to me. I think we’re hunting down the exact same like line of thought as far as the experience, the experience of these realities. But like what I’m hearing you express the one of the manners in which I’m hearing what you’re expressing is just this immense gratitude to, like, for example, your daughter’s like, Hey, who I am, I am so grateful to you being o helping awaken me to who I am today because I didn’t believe that that existed until I met you you created that for me.

02;16;35;23 – 02;17;01;04
Jon Mayo
And the power of that inspired me to take action to now who I am. Right? Like, to me, that is incredibly accurate. But the gift is the gratitude back to the kid, which is a direct deposit and how valued they are because of the impact that they had for being who they are. And making you in this instance, believe in that for yourself to make those changes.

02;17;01;04 – 02;17;16;15
Jon Mayo
Right. And in the same way, like you stated, your wife changed everything. You changed nothing. I would agree with the sentiment, but disagree with the linguistics of it to to the and I think this is empowering life giving. And that’s the only reason that I’m willing to like, Hey, let’s battle it out.

02;17;17;04 – 02;17;20;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Brandon We met met a couple hours ago, but let me tell you, I think you’re wrong. No.

02;17;21;15 – 02;17;46;25
Jon Mayo
No, I that you’re you’re dead right. But we could be more precise in hitting the target right in the heart of the bull’s eye. If it was she wanted to create. She saw in you and believed in you the element that you saw in yourself when you met your daughters. Right? So she saw that and she was willing to create environment in which that could be born and come to existence.

02;17;47;20 – 02;18;22;23
Jon Mayo
So in the challenging and in all the other crap, good or bad, you know, about you keeping high level. Yeah. Like she kept pursuing and in the pursuing challenging whatever creating the opportunity for you to take action and begin creating yourself into that so that debt like like I said, gratitude is for some reason just so heavily my mind, like thinking on my own journey of like I’m so grateful for those same people who did the same things for me because what they did is they created the environment and stuck it when I didn’t deserve it.

02;18;23;07 – 02;18;23;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Sure.

02;18;23;27 – 02;18;48;10
Jon Mayo
And to me, that’s the debt of gratitude. That’s the gratefulness, right. That I just have nothing but the desire to pour out to those people. But they they just made the environment right, that when I finally had the courage and wherewithal, the epiphany to see it, that I was able to start taking action and extraordinary ownership of myself and then taking that ownership in action, everything began to shift and change.

02;18;48;16 – 02;19;14;21
Jon Mayo
And the more I realized how they sacrificed to that end and stuck with me, the more I wanted to pour back the gratefulness as I continued to take ownership of myself and fix the things that needed fixed well, you know, through a numerous means. So it’s like I think the best way I could put it is what I am receiving from you in this conversation.

02;19;14;27 – 02;19;50;26
Jon Mayo
I fully agree with the semantics which I think are incredibly important, are it’s like, Man, yeah, I think you’re like a rock star from what I’ve heard, because she created these opportunities, invested in stuck through, did all of these things. And that was immensely powerful. When you and your daughters, when you came to this awakening point and took sovereignty over your life, dominion over who you are and determined who you’re going to be, and that creates a cycle of gratitude and self-correction, action and things.

02;19;52;04 – 02;20;19;25
Jon Mayo
And the reason I think it matters so much is because we are meant to be sovereign over ourselves, to have ownership, dominion over ourselves, right to lead ourselves and to create. And that’s my belief. And though I don’t think it’s the intent what I’ve been working to process in this conversation is are we giving any of that away with the best of intentions, not realizing it with with the language of it?

02;20;20;08 – 02;20;46;17
Jon Mayo
Right. Yeah. And can we do a better service to those who’ve done these things for us if we correct that language? And that’s my heart in exploring this. Right. It’s like, well, sounds like these have been pretty powerful things and you’ve taken extraordinary because what I’ve heard from your expression of self is you’ve done a lot to become who you are and you’ve you’ve made specific decisions, intentional decisions.

02;20;47;26 – 02;21;07;02
Jon Mayo
One time ones. And over time, you know, we haven’t gotten to the specifics, but probably the full spectrum to continue to forge to this point. We are all in on our journey and we will continue and even our continuing together right now. Right. But to where you are now and you have this idea of where you want to continue journeying, as do I as Tim, as does everyone.

02;21;07;05 – 02;21;23;06
Jon Mayo
Right. And As we’re going, we’re just working through it. Right. But you are, Tate. You’re the one who’s made those decisions. You determined to be here to engage this conversation, which a lot of people would be like, What the hell are we doing? Right? Yeah, like.

02;21;23;23 – 02;21;24;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You’ve.

02;21;24;17 – 02;21;49;25
Jon Mayo
Exercised your sovereignty towards that end. And I and I just think that so immensely powerful and that we all have that and that we do properly honor those who help us in our journey. But ultimately, I could have stayed the course I was on for sure. You could have stayed the course you were on. You chose to take action and ownership and change it because you loved, Saw and reflected in all those things.

02;21;49;25 – 02;22;18;11
Jon Mayo
And in the over. I keep saying this which is wrong because clearly it’s not the whole reason, but one of the reasons is so powerful is because anyone can do it. The second date determined to do. No one needs to have your wife or mind. No needs to have X, Y, or Z. All that someone needs to do is realize that it is within themselves to determine to take action towards something than where they are.

02;22;18;28 – 02;22;42;13
Jon Mayo
And I think that’s the piece of freedom in my speaking life that’s so important to Gavin. This is all amazing but wow. How much more freeing is it to realize that, like, you chose that big and those things helped you choose it? They supported you choosing it, but Ultimately, you chose it. I chose to stop those behaviors. That’s no one can take that.

02;22;42;13 – 02;22;54;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
For me. It’s so liberating. I think we can we can take comfort in the fact and consolation in the fact that we all do possess that within us it is upon us to make that decision and that choice. So I absolutely agree.

02;22;54;16 – 02;22;57;18
Jon Mayo
You know, it doesn’t mean we don’t owe huge debt to gratitude 100%.

02;22;57;22 – 02;23;21;29
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
I have those people in my life. My wife is one of them as well, sticking with me through some bullshit to to to help me realize my potential. And yeah, for that I’m forever grateful. So. Very well put. Yeah. You know, I think it. Do you think it’s going piggybacking on what you said too, it’s you finally recognize what self-love is too.

02;23;22;00 – 02;23;50;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. It’s that you all you’ve known as pain and so it’s become home for so long and you finally get this shot of self love and you’re just like, Damn, yeah, this is what this feels like. This is what they say about. Right? And it’s it’s absolutely detrimental to recognize those who gave you that gift who were placed in front of you to give you that power.

02;23;51;06 – 02;24;18;27
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And now in terms of when we talk about just taking everything and put it in the different sections and it’s as opposed to pain being the driver, now it’s chasing that self-love because. It’s like and it’s very it becomes very convoluted when you’re I’m still going through the process but is using energy in that pain to make it transition into self-love.

02;24;19;26 – 02;24;35;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And once you start, I don’t think we ever figure it out. But as we go down this journey, it’s something that we can that becomes replicable, that we could go and we can not only recognize, but then we can instill to our fellow person.

02;24;35;16 – 02;24;35;29
Jon Mayo
Yes.

02;24;36;13 – 02;25;12;05
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And that’s where it’s like, okay, like we all have different paths, but I understand this deep hole. Everybody has a deep hole and it’s getting to that common ground to know that we’re no better than one another. But our differences, the key separator is we’ve just not shown how to love ourselves. Hmm. Like a lot of this, given the nature of where we are right now too, it’s the consumerism piece towards that.

02;25;12;05 – 02;25;37;10
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It pulls us away from it and it gets us everywhere else besides where we need to be, which is internally and that pain is a massive driver like it is necessary. It is a necessary pain. Absolutely. It’s just it’s the catalyst behind all action. And it’s still my driver today. Like, I mean, that’s why I’m a morning fan too, as well.

02;25;37;10 – 02;25;43;20
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So I go and I have a gym, my garage, and I lift and I take myself into the deep waters.

02;25;43;28 – 02;25;46;25
Jon Mayo
I’ll show you mine if you show me.

02;25;46;25 – 02;26;12;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But it’s just it’s one. But that’s my time. Yes. Just how it was interesting how you worded that, too, with most just the verbiage, because I’m very I’m trying to be very cognizant of what I say. And it I know it annoys certain people because I think a lot of pauses and I digest what I’m saying. But to the point I don’t want to be I don’t want to give you a reactive thought, because if I give you a reactive thought, I’m not doing my part towards you.

02;26;13;25 – 02;26;34;16
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So I want to be able to digest something and actually them a meaning behind it. The purpose of the for I mean, the 4:00 in the morning, the workout is it’s my mission and that’s my time and that’s where I need to set my battle rhythm. That’s where I need to go. And that’s to me, that’s where that’s where I explore.

02;26;34;23 – 02;26;58;03
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yep. So I go in all those little voices and everything that comes up. It’s like, All right, let’s see what you’re really trying to say to me. Yeah. And I just I love that factor to it and that’s something I’ll never know. Hopefully everything stays the course and I won’t. But that’s been that was my anchor. I mean, that’s all that’s probably will be my anchor.

02;26;58;04 – 02;27;17;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. And it’s just, it’s me being able to put myself in that direction because I’m putting myself in that. And that’s where the battle rhythm comes from. That’s where a lot of like if I, if I don’t get it done, especially in the morning, like my wife and she’s just like, Oh shit, you didn’t work out today, huh?

02;27;17;22 – 02;27;18;07
Jon Mayo
It’s true.

02;27;18;07 – 02;27;36;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And I’m like, I know. And she’s like, You need to get out of here. Like, you need to go do something. You need to just burn off Kilburn at all. Yeah Yeah, yeah. But it’s the same for me. And I think it’s. It’s the it’s you’re not progressing anymore. You feel that little tinker? It comes back in. And so I told you.

02;27;37;09 – 02;27;57;07
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
See, I told you that this would start happening. Yeah. And it’s that rebound effect. They’re coming back. It’s like you’re just a thought. That’s all you are right now. I can either sit with you or I could let you go. And so it’s a lot. It is. I’ve been trying to get myself better, which is knowing my thoughts.

02;27;57;22 – 02;28;05;21
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. Really? Like, Hey, okay, is this my thought or is this just some thought put in here? What is this like? Let’s explore it. What are we doing?

02;28;05;21 – 02;28;11;18
Jon Mayo
Yes, Right. Same with emotion, same with everything. It’s like, What is this? Yeah, what are you?

02;28;11;18 – 02;28;33;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
And it’s. You’re not put here by accident. What are we trying to. Where are we trying to go? Like, I’ll be I’ll be part of the journey. But where we, where we go and it’s, it’s meditation has been huge for it too. Is it’s just very liberating to know that your thoughts most of the time or not, you don’t have to listen to them.

02;28;33;25 – 02;28;52;00
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
You can let them go and ideas come and ideas go. But it’s coming back to the evolution. Like, I don’t ever want to lose the evolutionary process, you know, I want to continuously stay in that realm. I don’t I don’t want to be the guy on top of the hill.

02;28;53;00 – 02;28;55;11
Jon Mayo
In what’s beautiful is I don’t think we have to be.

02;28;55;28 – 02;28;56;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
If it’s.

02;28;56;28 – 02;29;13;21
Jon Mayo
Like we can give away with the whole construct, we’re not, you know, like it’s not a marathon with the finish line, Like there’s these mile markers because I was thinking about it a lot too. And there’s this interesting book called The Second Mountain that kind of explores it. But the whole concept is right, at least in our society.

02;29;13;22 – 02;29;33;09
Jon Mayo
You go to school or don’t you get a job, You start making enough money that you’re you have some freedom to spend, right? You marry, maybe you have kids, maybe you don’t. You buy a house and things. You’re successful, right? Air quotes. You’re and by many constructs you are successful, right You have a family or a partner or whatever.

02;29;33;13 – 02;29;50;16
Jon Mayo
You have the home or the living situation you want. You’re spending your time in the end getting money back in such a way that you’re able to live a lifestyle that you enjoy. So it’s like, okay, that’s kind of the first mountain, right? Like the stereotypical wouldn’t would be a house, two kids and a dog and a job pays you well.

02;29;50;16 – 02;30;08;22
Jon Mayo
Yeah, right. So you get there, but then what? And like, there’s a lot of the correlations drawn. Well, a lot of people have their midlife crisis. They get there and then they’re like, What do I pursue? And we know that this is also true for people who go to the Super Bowl. You know, football players, they work years, they get to the Super Bowl, they win.

02;30;09;00 – 02;30;31;18
Jon Mayo
And then they get hit with this crippling depression of, oh, my God, what now? And it’s because they were running to the finish line, not the journey, the evolution. Right. But the beautiful thing is like we’re on paths that end with us. Yeah. There’s nothing between now and then that is going to be it, right? It is dying for this stream of consciousness.

02;30;31;22 – 02;30;55;21
Jon Mayo
Yeah, right. So if that’s the case, then I right now know what my next horizon, right? So I love the job I have. I’m happy to serve the community I’m serving. It’s beautiful. I’m also building my business. The horizon I can’t see beyond right now is when I’m able to go full time into my own business. That that’s a huge goal.

02;30;55;21 – 02;31;16;18
Jon Mayo
It’s a huge mile marker in my journey. But it’s I can’t see beyond it. Right. And would I have I guess what I’m articulating here are precisely what I’m articulating is what I used to think was the finish line. I now see I now call the horizon because I know like looking at Pikes Peak, that makes up my horizon there and part of Kansas makes up the horizon at East.

02;31;17;04 – 02;31;45;08
Jon Mayo
But if I drive 8 hours, I’m going to have a new horizon. So for me, it’s so I’ve realized it’s like, okay, on this evolutionary process, I found a lot of peace and I don’t need a see beyond the next couple of steps and I don’t need to even try to understand what will look like beyond this horizon when I get to the point, as I get closer to being able to make the transition I’ll be able to see a little bit more what it will look like and then I’ll make it and I’ll rest and I’ll observe and I’ll analyze.

02;31;45;08 – 02;32;04;27
Jon Mayo
What is the new one now that I’m here and I may, by the time I get closer, have some intuition of what that looks like. Even as I go close to the mountains, I can see them more clearly and then climb them. And there’s a new one. But that whole this whole metaphor has made me realize that I don’t have to worry about ever falling off the path.

02;32;05;16 – 02;32;10;29
Jon Mayo
Right. That this journey, this continued evolution, that everything else, it’s not going to run out.

02;32;11;17 – 02;32;11;22
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Right.

02;32;12;02 – 02;32;12;19
Jon Mayo
And that was.

02;32;12;19 – 02;32;14;01
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
A huge piece. Yeah.

02;32;14;22 – 02;32;16;07
Jon Mayo
Because that’s like, what happens if it runs out?

02;32;16;07 – 02;32;16;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. Yeah.

02;32;17;00 – 02;32;18;16
Jon Mayo
And as I go, it can’t.

02;32;19;18 – 02;32;21;04
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
It’s impossible. Yeah. Yeah.

02;32;21;11 – 02;32;23;16
Jon Mayo
You know. Yeah. And that’s what this whole thing’s about.

02;32;23;16 – 02;32;24;08
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
But yeah.

02;32;24;19 – 02;32;29;12
Jon Mayo
It’s just there’s, there’s a way to be made and it’s unending until you end.

02;32;29;23 – 02;32;35;25
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
So. Yeah, fair enough. Hey, can we not be a bear band is what would sit time.

02;32;35;25 – 02;32;40;12
Jon Mayo
Yeah, I was just about to a time to at 116 and we’ve been at it for a couple of hours so maybe time.

02;32;40;12 – 02;32;50;13
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
Yeah. We can maybe even do part two or something or obviously we’re going to be starting our ventures well with the podcast. So we can definitely have you there as well. Mingle. Yeah, cool.

02;32;50;17 – 02;32;52;23
Jon Mayo
Respective time. Want to land it for today?

02;32;52;23 – 02;32;56;02
Tim Myers & Brandon Stock
The land, the plane. Cool, cool. Yeah. Thanks for having me, brother.

02;32;56;02 – 02;33;04;29
Jon Mayo
Yeah. Thank you for sharing