080. The Fellowship of the Forge: How to Forge Powerful Bonds and Reclaim Your Potential – Be Relentless
In today’s episode of Be Relentless, I introduce the blueprint of the “forge” – a small group of 5-9 like minded individuals who are pursuing the best version of themselves, by embracing radical responsibility and extreme intentionality and how to create your very own forge, within or beyond the WayMaker Community.
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- The Forge: The core elements of a forge group, including daily contributions and accountability.
- A Whole Human Initiative: The Forge is not a fitness accountability group. Vulnerability and open sharing in these intimate settings can accelerate personal development.
- The Facilitator: The role of the “Forge Facilitator” and why it is not the “Forge Leader”.
- The Forge Handbook: Why I am making the forge model open source, providing the tools for anyone to start their own group.
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Brandon Seifert: 0:00
It is hard to find people that want to improve and wake up and start living their life and do the best that they can in their own life, and that is that’s what I love about this most of all is that this is going to find people that want to do that together and inspire each other to do so much more that they could have done. You know, they might have done some of this by themselves I think a lot of us can but to do it so much faster and in community, and that’s what I get so excited about and I’m excited to see this grow.
Jon Mayo: 0:41
Hey guys, we’re going to jump right in today, but if you’re not part of the Waymaker movement already, go ahead and click on the link below Join it. That way you can follow, along with all the free resources that are available there, as we unpack how you can start your own forge group anywhere. All right, let’s go. All right, so we are back and this is a special episode in which we are talking about the forge and it’s not going to be a deep dive into all the benefits and experiences and everything like that. That’s going to be an episode for later this month where Tim Myers, you and I are going to have a more deep dive conversation. I may even bring in Taylor the Gris Clifton as well and just have it be a whole bash. So that’ll be something fun for us to look forward to. But today, with the new launch of the Waymaker community that really catalyzes the Waymaker movement, today I wanted to give away the forge, which is our secret to success the small groups that are helping fuel and power change in your life and my life. We’re not in the same forge or in different groups, but it’s helping create a lot of heat For us. Giving away how exactly that’s made and how someone else can do it, as well as where they can find the resources to duplicate it, should they not want to join us in the Waymaker movement to have a forge there, right? So if someone’s like you know what, I want to do it on my own. I want to be more off the radar. Whatever the case could be, honestly, I don’t imagine why you wouldn’t do it with us, because doing it with us is going to be better. But you can be a lone wolf and if that’s your desire, that’s why we’re giving it away for free, right? I don’t want the barrier to entry to be you know the investment to do it with us, right. I don’t want the barrier to entry to be you know anything. I want to be fully and readily available and that is why, you know, I’m super jazzed about us talking about how you can create your own forge cohort small group and how you can use that to make, you know, significant progress in your pursuit of significant Significance.
Brandon Seifert: 2:53
Yeah. So I think that’s a perfect way to kind of go into this. But I want to even though you’re going to be talking with Tim, myself and potentially Gris, which would be fantastic if he was able to join If you can just do a quick kind of cliff notes 100 feet above what is the forge? Just anyone that’s new I know we’ve talked about it a few times, but someone that’s new to this Quick out.
Jon Mayo: 3:15
Yeah, and I’m going to the super simple, unsexy version, right, because we have some, like you know, panache that goes with some of the language we use around it. But the super simple explanation is the forge is a small group of like minded individuals who are pursuing the best version of themselves, and they’re doing that by embracing radical responsibility, extreme intentionality and relentless forward action to cultivate CESU and make progress. And what the group looks like is five to nine individuals. I strongly, strongly propose, and if you join a forge with the waymaker community, this is how they’re set up. Each forge is like minded individuals, so it’s either going to be biological heterosexual males with biological heterosexual males, or biological heterosexual females with females, so on and so on. Right, and the reason being is that it cultivates a significantly deeper room for vulnerability and expression, because these groups are whole human experiences You’re talking about. You know all the things that are intimate to what comes with what you are Right, and it’s very helpful to not have you know to be with like minded, similar folks in that context. So these groups are designed inclusively to that end to allow for the largest amount of value creation possible. And within that, the intent is that we’re pursuing to be better mentally, physically, spiritually and relationally Right, and everything in that focus starts by focusing on self, then your family, then your community, then the world, right. So, if you like, kind of pour into your efforts from yourself to the world and concentric circles outward. That. That’s kind of like some part of the guiding framework of what everyone’s thinking about as we’re engaging in these conversations that span from depression, alcoholism, parenting, dating, you know, fitness, finances, you name it. The conversations come up, right, and you know, in a nutshell, it’s these groups that come together and they’re like OK, we’re going to pursue this. We all want to pursue this ourselves and this gives us the opportunity to put together and in pursuing it together, we’re going to contribute daily to the mutual success of the group. And that’s that’s where the daily contribution comes in. And because we’re physical beings right, you know we have a mind and you know a spirit and all these other things, but because we’re trapped in these meat bags, one of the best ways that we can exercise solverty over ourselves is by making the meat bag dance right, make it do something. So what contribution looks like is each day you need to do some form of training, some form of physical training and it’s meant for the long haul, right. So the the the forge, you know, the forge is not a short term, 30, 90 year long challenge, it is a lifestyle and when you join it, you’re joining it with the intent that you’ll be in the same group five years from now, 10 years from now, and that’s part of the excitement, right, and there’s people who choose to leave, there’s people who get removed because they don’t make the requirement of contributing every day. But by and large, some people a relatively small percentage of the group comes and goes, but over time the core group grows and like grows closer, stronger. And as people contribute, you have this natural ebb and flow of days where people are just checking the block because their priorities are elsewhere. Today’s, where there’s vibrant, rich like conversation and investment in one another, and it’s like very vibrant right. And the important thing is to ride that wave and not try to force. You know the over, you know over manufactured value, right, because everything’s cyclical. So it’s OK for it to be super like minimalistic for a while and then spur up right. You just kind of wide that wave as a group and learn how to navigate it together.
Brandon Seifert: 7:24
But that’s the forge in a not very simple but not sexy terms beautifully said and also I really want to stress just before we kind of continue, that this is, this is not just a daily check the box. Hey, I worked out kind of thing. I’ve shown personal vulnerability. I, you know, I literally worked through a lot of things through this group. You know, in one, one aspect, I sent a drunken message as I was doing push ups, because I was working through a lot of emotion and apparently drinking was my outlet initially, but I still ended up doing that and it spread a lot of conversation and a lot of vulnerability between a couple of the members. So it is by no means not even I hate the idea that it’s. I have to kind of say this, but I also want it to be hit twice. It is not a fitness accountability group, this is a whole human initiative, like you said. So, yeah, after I’ve hit that, oh, go ahead.
Jon Mayo: 8:30
I was just going to say, into that and we’ll definitely hit on this one. We have four forge members from two different groups talking here in a few weeks, right, and I think we’ll really hammer on that. But, but there’s phases, like with everything, right, I forget the gents name, but it’s a you know, forming, storming, norming and performing right there, the cycles of team development. This is, it’s the same, right, the first 30 days, people are just going to be getting used to being that consistent about something. And then, from my day 30 to 60, with the, with the, the joking that the why maker Thank you Chris. But you know, the why exercise, what is your purpose? That you’re pursuing the best you can articulate it now, right, that really starts to gel everyone in a much more significant way. And then, with the first excommunication and you know, or two, and the first re, like someone earning their way back in the group really starts to come together. And then actions of vulnerability, right, like hey, I am dying right now. Right, like this is not good and like being able to express that really is another opportunity for the group to come together, right, and the reason I, I am, I led more heavily than I should have with you know, from the real light. Check the block days to like the real heavy, rich conversations is because when you’re looking at doing something for the long haul five to 10 years, right, longer you know, just like, really just completely change your perspective on what you’re pursuing to a lifestyle. It needs to be adaptable, right, we’ve had members get severely injured. We’ve had members have their first children. We’ve had members get married all on this group and they’ve all been able to sustain. Yes, stay the course, continue contributing. And those contributions are typically really funny. You know, one of one of them did air squats with his brand new baby. He did a few air squats, brand new baby, he contributed, and then he was offline the rest of the time because he’s where he needed to be, right, he was with his family. So I’d like to stress that piece because I think that sometimes people are like, oh well, it’s going to be too much. No, it’s meant to meet you where you are, but demand more. You know, and that’s to where my passion really comes in. I’m not interested in some lukewarm, you know, soft crap, right, but it has to be built to endure. So, like, having said that, these forges are meant to forge what you know a forge, create something. And what they’re creating as waymakers, those who transform obstacles into opportunity, those who create value, community, those who stand in the gap against darkness and strife and pain and call others forward and equip them to do the same, right? So we’re talking about some uncommon people, right? Some uncommon characteristics that we’re working to cultivate within these groups and within the waymaker movement and community holistically, and that is the absolute 10 excellence in everything, right, damn, near perfection. And everything in a relentless pursuit of who we could be instead of who we might be if we just didn’t pay attention or didn’t exercise discipline. Oh man, I’m getting fired up.
Brandon Seifert: 11:28
Well, I’m excited to dive more into that with Tim and Chris. Going back to the main purpose of this, how do you start your own forge? Yes, there is a guide, right.
Jon Mayo: 11:44
Yes, so. So how do you start your own forge, right, and just making it freely available for anyone to go? So there’s three steps that I would highly recommend, and there’s one that is not critically necessary but I highly recommend it, and that would be to read the relentless if, the obstacles, the way we must be waymakers. And that, essentially, is just covering the cost to print. That’s the price. If you get the book, or if you have an audible subscription, you can use your monthly credit right, and I would highly recommend that for just a greater depth of understanding and self exploration, to understand what the heck all of this is about. Anyways, right, because that really is the foundation. That aside, and should you just choose to want to do this but not do that, you can, you can. I don’t recommend it. Shortcut that join the waymaker community, the, the open source portion of the waymaker community, for free and download the forge handbook. In addition to that, there’s tons of frequently asked questions and answers in there that shed a ton of light on, very specifically and intentionally, what the waymaker movement and the forge cohorts, right, these groups, are meant to do specifically, right, and kind of how those things can be navigated. So, resource wise right, just leading with the resources. If you go to the link in the bio and join the waymaker community, you can have immediate free access to the handbook and this episode and this episode especially what we’re getting into will be the fundamental nuts and bolts of how you can actually create this thing for yourself anywhere, right, and that’s pretty exciting.
Brandon Seifert: 13:25
So that’s super exciting. I love that. It is a. Like you said, it’s the open source that’s in the community. You already plugged it, but I’m a plug it again please join the waymaker community so you can see all the things, do all the things, join the community and grow and learn. It’s just be part of something. You know, it is hard to find people that want to improve and wake up and start living their life and do the best that they can in their own life, and that is that’s what I love about this Most of all is that this is going to find people that want to do that together and inspire each other to do so much more that they could have done you know they might have done some of this by themselves I think a lot of us can but to do it so much faster and in community. That’s what I get so excited about and I’m excited to see this grow. I believe you already touched on it, but why did you make the decision to make the handbook free?
Jon Mayo: 14:30
Yeah, absolutely. And why I want to make this free is because in my mind, very simply put, I’ve shared a lot of passion about what goes into it, right, and my hopes. But, very simply put, I’m working to unleash human potential with my life and my sons. Well, in myself, in my home, in my community, in the world. And a pursuit like that feels cheapened to me If the only way to access it is by paying something. So to make it as accessible as possible. There’s nothing more accessible than making it free. And the problem with free is people typically value something as much as they pay for it. However, it gives my conscious, it gives my mind peace, saying no, it’s freely available, right, and this is quite a bit of a social experiment. I’m not aware of anything else that’s doing this and when it’s freely available, that that further opens up the aperture, kind of like with what you know. It’s open sourcing this experiment. Right, it’s making it so that we can get a much broader spectrum of feedback, so that this can be as successful as possible. So that’s why I’m making the ability to DIY it free right Now. I will say my preference and my hope is that people will see the value of joining and leveling up in the waymaker community and becoming an iron steel or waymaker member, right, and doing this with us, but you know, not to be redundant. That’s why we’re giving it away for free. I mean, I think it’s time to jump right into the nuts and bolts on how you start a forge, right? Yeah, okay, so let’s jump right in. Very simply, it’s going to be a group of no more than nine and ideally no less than five, like individuals, right, and when I say like individuals, it’s just to protect some of the things that could happen. Let’s say, you’re married and you’re in a mixed company, right, and further promote the vulnerability and shared experiences that come with what you’re navigating. When you’re of the same cut, you know, and that is a very important element that I strongly stress. But when you have a group, so you. So the first thing is okay, it’s going to be five to nine folks, right? The next thing you need, beyond the understanding of, like, how many people you need to be thinking about to join, is a way to communicate, right? The first forge and the second forge, for, until recently, lived on signal, and I don’t have any affiliation with signal, but signal was the messaging app that allowed for the permissions and privacy and everything that made sense to be able to do that. So pick your, pick your messaging app. It could be anything where you can, you know, have control over who’s in and out of a group and determine. Do you want to do this? Right, because the requirements of being in it are that you have daily contributions unflinching, unfailing daily contributions or you’re removed right, and we’ll get to how you can earn your way back in should you be removed, in a minute. But the overall structure is very simple Pick a messaging app, pick to five to nine people, pull the sample messages for invitations and everything else from the handbook and begin inviting folks and then contribute each day. Invest in conversation, do the why maker. Exercise the why not way, but why maker. You know cheesy is heck, but beautiful. Exercise you know four to eight weeks in and continue forward and continue challenging and pursuing better. It truly is that beautifully simple to be able to splinter off and do it by yourself. Now we add a lot more value into what we do with the larger community, but I love the concept of if you can create something, make it as simple as possible, but no simple still, and if all you got is that couple of minutes in bite, you could go and figure it out right Now. What’s cool is the. The forge handbook currently is almost 40 pages long, not including frequently asked questions, which is now just in the way maker community, and those pages share a lot of context. There’s letters on to your loved ones on what it is that this thing is right. There’s examples of messages. There’s prompts to help facilitate conversation. There are structures for, like how to work through Okay, someone that could contribute they’ve been excommunicated. How they can earn their way back in right, and then some of the friction points that we’ve run into are made available there, right. So there’s a good bit of stuff available, definitely.
Brandon Seifert: 19:28
And to quickly touch on a certain aspect of that. You know I’m in forge two. You’ve, of course, started forge one. The prompts themselves are gold. They really got me personally out of my shell, because I’m naturally a very quiet person and actually start opening up to the group. So I think that there is a ton of value. So if you did want to take this and run with it, make your own forge. Definitely check out that handbook because that is going to. I think a lot of the people I already started with someone that I knew in that in this group, but you’re also potentially with a couple of random other people that you might not know, that are all just striving to to build this community together and you might know them a lot. You might not know them that much, but the prompts will help break down those barriers and allow conversation beyond just putting in your daily vote.
Jon Mayo: 20:31
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, in the waymaker community, should you, you know, become that level member and you join a forge cohort, right, if you have friends that you want to join with, you can join and state that right, and our team will work with you. And because you go into a holding area first to identify, do we have a strong facilitator? Do we have you know enough people to launch this off, those types of things, and you get updates and things while you’re in there waiting. And one of the beautiful things about it and this is one of the things I really loved is, for one, no more than two people knew each other, and there’s eight in there. Forge two is the same, and so someone knew someone somehow, maybe even very circumstantially, but there’s quite a few people I know in Forge two that I’ve introduced that know no one in there. Right, and that’s one of the beautiful things about this. You don’t have to have history, you have to know where you want to go, and if you know where you want to go, you can do it together. And that is one of the things that’s so powerful and it’s uncomfortable and it’s like, yeah, get weird, Dan, we’re going to be vulnerable, we’re going to. You know, one of the things that I love is trust is forged from vulnerability. So if you want trust, lead with vulnerability and press it Right and that begins to create. The more that happens, the more dynamic and high value the group is Right and it’s beautiful because, like at least in my Forge, I have a couple of people who are very busy, driven individuals, incredibly full schedules, but this has become such a priority for them. One gent, due to some unfortunate circumstances and poor planning, was excommunicated twice in one month and within 24 hours each time he earned his way back in and now he has quite the robust system to ensure he’s not removed again because he does not want to experience that again. Because typically, like, the re-entrance fee is like a three to four hour contribution, physical training contribution where there’s a lot of time to reflect, think, suffer and then share Right. And then, on the contribution thing, the handbook does a good job of outlining it. I think we should speak to it a bit. Two things I want to speak about is the Forge facilitator in excommunication. So first, leadership it’s not the Forge leader for a very specific reason. Each group is a fellowship of free men. It’s not a hierarchy. It’s not a fricking weird thing. It’s a bunch of folks are getting together to do work towards the best versions of themselves, with equal votes. The facilitator happens to have a bit of administrative responsibility Ensure, did everyone post, manage who’s in and out of the group on those things, kind of monitor the flow, especially initially they’re a bit more responsible for, okay, I’ve chosen to take on the role of facilitator, so I’m really thinking all right, how is the ebb and flow of conversation? How can I help facilitate conversation? How can I help us get closer? Over time? And they’ll be the one who launches the purpose, the Y exercise, things like that. But what’s super cool is from both of the two initial groups, around the 60 to 90 day mark, things really start to gel and they really catalyze after the Y exercise and then shortly after that, everyone is leading and that is the intent. Everyone will help to facilitate conversation, press in and seek. And you still have about the same rhythm of. What I look at is like there’s probably three to four, maybe five days a week that you’re more so hitting your daily contribution, kind of a little bit of chatter, but you’re focused on life and where you want to go right, this is an enhancement, not a distraction. And then there’s that one or two days a week where there’s like thick conversation, tons of value to be provided, created and extracted, and that’s super difficult. And the reason that it’s the Forged Facilitator is to help keep away the weirdness that can come with the term leader when people don’t know that leading is actually serving. So just to do away with the entire misconception, you’re a facilitator there to help serve and enhance the group to the best of your ability to make it as strong as possible. And that’s really important because ego can die right.
Brandon Seifert: 25:06
Right, and then also just a quick note on that, sorry, yeah. Ever since I first got excommunicated, I’ve been waiting for the day that I could potentially call Tim out on bullshit and like say he doesn’t post. I’m kind of waiting for the day he doesn’t so I can kick him out. That’s wicked. I know it’s because I’d love to create something for him to earn his way back in, but I think that speaks to the. It’s not a leader, because we’re all trying to build towards the same thing and I would be happy to take that spot if no one else would do the deed.
Jon Mayo: 25:49
Oh man, so fun story and we’ll have to bring this up later this month. But Tim’s been excommunicated. And yeah, because Tim Tim is the only member currently to be in both forges, and that was that was critical, because, as the growth director and helping, helping have this thing make traction right, it was important for him to both lead him. It was really important for him to facilitate one as well as being one. So that’s where Forge two came from. Yeah, but he was excommunicated early on in Forge one and I won’t go farther than that because I think that it’ll be a better conversation when he’s with us here soon. But that’s wicked man. And I have a feeling that for the folks in my group and in yours that haven’t been excommunicated from the group they’re in, there is definitely a target on our back of like, oh, it’d be cool if, right, I plan on dying before that happens on my end. But that’s funny. And since we’re talking about excommunication, let’s, let’s go into it a little bit. It’s nothing weird. If you don’t contribute, the standard will not be lowered right. Period, end of story. It shall not be lowered, it will be upheld. So someone doesn’t contribute when the facilitator wakes up the next day, they check and if they did not contribute, they say you know, brandon, you failed to contribute yesterday, you were excommunicated, and they remove you from the group. Conversation, from that point goes offline. And should you desire to rejoin the group, because whatever happened, right, no excuses, just ownership. There’s like one, two notes here. So the one exception is if you’re hospitalized and unable to do it, like because of a sudden hospitalization or something of that nature. Right, so there is grace for that type of situation, but that is a 1% type of scenario. The other area we see the we’ve seen the most need for foresight on is travel. Right, we’ve had SFDs in here. We’ve had folks who are traveling out of cell reception for adventure, racing and back country exploration, things like that. So it’s like, well, what do you do when you’re not gonna have access to signal? Right, like you don’t have cellular signal so you’re not connected to the grid at all. In those situations, you just take your picture each day, and when you communicate in advance, say I’m gonna be gone, right, and when I get back I’ll drop the photos, right. There’s also situations, though, where there’s folks who do super secret scroll stuff and they can’t do that and in those situations that’s an agreement upon entry. Hey, I do super like I’m a super secret squirrel with the government. I do stuff where all of a sudden I have to disappear and I can’t speak and I don’t have the ability to do anything until I return. And when I return, it’s like I’m back and that situation is something that can be worked around for those unique individuals with the circumstances. And that’s something where it’s discussed, right, it’s like that’s an agreement for all the members to vote on, that they agree when they, if they have someone who’s like a special in special forces or say, or something like that, then it’s like, okay, if this guy disappears, we will learn. Did he fail, like, did he fail to contribute or did duty call? And if it, well, we won’t know. So he will be excommunicated still for not contributing. However, when he gets back to this life, right, he can say, hey, I’m back. It was work, right, like it was the circumstances that we all voted to understand. And then it’s like, okay, re-entered for this, so that those are the only exceptions, though, and outside of that, the person’s removed, the conversation’s done. You know, a workout is chosen that the group agrees with. That’s appropriate for the individual, right, because people have different physical fitness levels, different injuries that they’re training around and overcoming in different goals, right? So, like one gent is an ultramarathon runner and training for some very specific goals, I’m training for incredibly different goals, right? So our re-entrance fees should be very different and they are, and that’s something that we can aid with, right, with people doing, but otherwise it’s a conversation but the goals for it to be between two and four hours of very difficult, strenuous exercise that is shared with the group, and then the refutions on why they would do that and why they wanna come back in. And the final piece of it is really important and that’s the vote for re-entrance. And the reasons it’s important is it has to be a unanimous vote. Once the contribution’s been made and the reason for wanting to rejoin has been shared, every member of the group gets to vote yes or no. And why that’s so important is because, one, it removes the idea that silence is somehow consent, because that’s not true, we must take action. And two, it affirms the person upon re-entrance that everybody has chosen to take action on their behalf in favor of them re-entering, which is an incredibly restorative and healing element as well, and everyone then is slapping in and saying no, I’m here, I see you, I’m speaking, we are together, right? And then life goes on all right, you know, and we’ve had folks who finished at 1130 at night you know 2330 and they get voted back in. And guess what? Next day, like the next day, they get voted back in, and sometimes it takes a while because by the time everyone can respond and it may be like 7 pm by the time everyone’s respond and that person gets re-entered the following day. Well, guess what? They still get a contribute they regain. So they better be ready. But yeah, there you go.
Brandon Seifert: 31:37
Okay, so love the explanation. I can’t wait to actually sit down with everyone to go over my, because I was actually kicked out. We know that we talked briefly on the actual podcast about it, but I’d love to know the insider talk about it from Tim’s point of view, because he’s had to do it a couple of times. So, for your standpoint for facilitator, how does it? How does it, I guess, take a person to be able to just say you’re excommunicated and be that person to safeguard the group? Do you feel like you’re safeguarding the group in that stance or?
Jon Mayo: 32:32
Yes, I do, and I think it’s. Hey, everyone knows very clearly what the standard is upon entrance and what will ruin this Concept, this social experiment, faster than anything else, is not upholding the standard. The forge has to be hot. That’s why contribution is daily, right one. You know, consistency over time is what produces significant progress, and doing that for years changes everything, and that’s everything’s engineered around these behavioral tendencies. Understanding psychology, that there’s a lot that’s gone into this and we’re not talking about any of it. I don’t think we need to. But this is not just like a haphazard thing. You know, there’s a lot of research and data to help support what we’re doing. But it’s hard, and that’s because humans are messy, right, and it takes energy and work. But it’s less difficult for me now To do it, but it is critically necessary that I do it. I’m flinchingly, and what I’ve learned over the last year, it of upholding the standard, is just simplify it. Hey, we’re all grown adults, we’ve all made an agreement to ourselves and one another, and if that agreement is not appalled, there’s no conversation or question to be had before they’re removed. It’s simple. You know so and so you failed to contribute. You are excommunicated, gone, and then the conversations happen. So you know, one of the things I was doing wrong up front was like I’d I’d feel terrible, like I don’t want to kick this guy right or I don’t, I don’t want to, like I want to see is he okay first. No, like it doesn’t matter, like, yes, I need to find out, is he okay? But no, it does not matter, because, whatever the case is, he needs excommunicated. If he is, god forbid, to the hospital or something, then we can discuss it as a group and re-bring it back in right if it’s one of those crazy circumstances. But otherwise, just simplifying it has made it a lot easier. And but that doesn’t mean there’s not doubt sometimes that doesn’t mean that there’s not like, what are we doing right? There’s been numerous instances for me, specifically with having this become such a a larger thing than I ever anticipated it right in the early days of it being an experiment, it that I will burn this thing to the ground and kill, all right, it will be gone if, if I see that it is perverted in such a way or broken in such a way, that’s not redeemable. And there’s been a couple of situations around specific behaviors from certain group members that have made me question like, oh, this is either gonna make us a lot stronger or it’s gonna die today, yeah, and my goal when I’ve had that rosacea is like, oh, or it’s gonna die. And if it’s gonna die, I want to die like in the next 24 hours. I don’t want to sit on this and try to milk it on. I either want it to be great, like super great, or I want it to be gone, because my life is very full, the priorities I’m pursuing are extremely full and I’m not going to waste time or bandwidth on something that is going down the drain. I will invest in something that’s hard Right, because I think that through that difficulty, if value can be created, maybe worth it, and thus far it has been. Every time and thankfully, thus far, the couple moments where things have really shaken us right, someone’s left in made comments that can feel offensive, even about the group. It’s presented the opportunity To say, okay, well, is that what we are, is that what this is? And and especially, you know, over the last year, with this really being formed through experimentation, it’s helped us identify like we have to go very intentionally far deeper than just the daily contributions. Otherwise it becomes like a fitness accountability group and that’s crap, right. Like no one accepts that and that is not the intent of this. You have to be doing self-work and intentionally contributing, otherwise it becomes passive consumption and that’s like social media. This is not social media, this is community. So that’s crap, right, you. So you know, like, don’t just consume, create, and that’s like that goes into a whole nother thing. I won’t even jump on because I’m so passionate about that exact statement. You know, don’t be a consumer, be a creator, right. So there’s elements to this and what’s exciting is, as we open the aperture up and we make it open source, this coming like when this, as we’re talking right now, someone like, as you are listening to this conversation, it is open source, right, it is an open source. The community is live, like, for a week, now you can subscribe and join us legitimately within the waymaker community as part and parcel with us, right, and that’s so exciting because he, it’s gonna be like. I know there’s gonna be moments of extreme messiness, right, we’re like the team’s pursuing excellence and everything we’re doing, but we are gonna make mistakes. There’s gonna be issues where I’ve learned things that are like whoa, that’s scary, right, and what I can promise is that as soon as we learn something, you know, the buck stops with me. This is my initiative, and as soon as I learn something, if I’m wrong and I realize, I guess as soon as I realize I’m wrong I’ll own it and I’ll just right. As soon as we realize something needs done to make the, the community, better, right, safer, stronger, all those things will do it right. We’ll make those adjustments and we will continue to evolve and grow as a community. And and that’s really where the invitation and the ask for me comes in of hey, join us and let us work together in creating something amazing. Right, let us work together and find the holes in the armor, let us find the chinks and mend them, grow them, strengthen them. Let’s see what’s great and make it better, you know, but? And let’s see how much value we can create together in pursuit of something beautiful, because we have plenty to unify around and this is the opportunity to do that. Thank you for joining us on another episode of be relentless. If you found value in today’s show, pay it forward by sharing with someone you care about now, not later now. Additionally, if you’re not part of the waymaker community, why not Go ahead. Join today and let’s forge forward together.