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060. T.E. : Gratitude, Beauty, Finding Purpose, and Inducing Change Through Small Shifts w/ Jon & Brandon

060. T.E. : Gratitude, Beauty, Finding Purpose, and Inducing Change Through Small Shifts w/ Jon & Brandon Be Relentless

Ever wondered about the true worth of things in your life? Can the pursuit of knowledge and joy in the small things lead to profound changes in our lives? We took a deep dive into the overlooked value and purpose in our lives, dissected the role of gratitude and pleasure, and pondered on how substantial cultural change can be induced through small, incremental shifts in our attitudes and actions.We ventured into a conversation about how appreciating a beautiful sunset or a picturesque view can cultivate a sense of awe and humility. We uncovered how these seemingly small acts can ultimately have a profound impact on our overall well-being. Moreover, we discovered how making slight changes to our daily routine, such as choosing to listen to audiobooks or podcasts, can open up new avenues and experiences. In the concluding part of our exploration, we delved into the power of being present, maintaining a sense of connection with the world around us, and practicing gratitude in a meaningful and intentional way. We touched on the intriguing concept of the 'flow state' and its potential to increase our awareness and understanding of the world around us. As we wrapped up the conversation, we emphasized the importance of recognizing our progress in challenging situations and the value of conversations centered around understanding and appreciation, even when faced with failures. This episode is a thoughtful exploration of value, purpose, and change in our lives, tune in to join the conversation.If you found value in the show please SHARE IT with someone you care about as well as SUBSCRIBE and RATE IT with a 5-Star Review! Ready to dive deeper? Visit ULAUniverse.com to explore more of the impactful work we're doing. Don't forget to use code 'BERELENTLESS' at checkout to enjoy a 10% discount sitewide!Do you have a question for us, want to be on the show, or have a recommendation for a guest or topic? CONTACT US HERE.We are grateful you joined us!

Ever wondered about the true worth of things in your life? Can the pursuit of knowledge and joy in the small things lead to profound changes in our lives? We took a deep dive into the overlooked value and purpose in our lives, dissected the role of gratitude and pleasure, and pondered on how substantial cultural change can be induced through small, incremental shifts in our attitudes and actions.

We ventured into a conversation about how appreciating a beautiful sunset or a picturesque view can cultivate a sense of awe and humility. We uncovered how these seemingly small acts can ultimately have a profound impact on our overall well-being. Moreover, we discovered how making slight changes to our daily routine, such as choosing to listen to audiobooks or podcasts, can open up new avenues and experiences. 

In the concluding part of our exploration, we delved into the power of being present, maintaining a sense of connection with the world around us, and practicing gratitude in a meaningful and intentional way. We touched on the intriguing concept of the ‘flow state’ and its potential to increase our awareness and understanding of the world around us. As we wrapped up the conversation, we emphasized the importance of recognizing our progress in challenging situations and the value of conversations centered around understanding and appreciation, even when faced with failures. This episode is a thoughtful exploration of value, purpose, and change in our lives, tune in to join the conversation.

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Episode Transcript

Jon Mayo: 0:08
Hello everyone, welcome back to Thought Expeditions from the Be Relentless podcast. On today’s episode, we explore the value of that which we do gratitude, pleasure, and what in the heck is the meaning of it all? Additionally, we explore the Overton’s window of cultural change and how and when we ought to consider that which we’re doing with greater specificity versus allowing ourselves to truly sink at the moment. So, before we jump on in, if you have not gone over to theulauniversecom to subscribe, please do, because we will be launching very soon in CCU, stamina Performance Evolved. The performance energy supplement that Kirk and I have been working on building for the last three years will soon be available to help you fuel your day, create more value and build a better tomorrow. So, without further ado, let’s jump on in, all right. Well, howdy Doughty, how are you doing today?

Brandon Seifert: 1:19
Doing good. I woke up to a little bit of a stink in the apartment because of the dogs, but overall, good morning. How’s yours?

Jon Mayo: 1:29
It’s another beautifully dark morning, so we’re ready to get after it and have some fun with you and then crush the day.

Brandon Seifert: 1:36
Right on. Well, so I guess this one is a little different because this isn’t something that I’m necessarily exploring in this moment. These are kind of like the final throws of what I’ve been exploring the past couple of days and I kind of just wanted your reaction to it See if you have any input that can help kind of adjust what I’ve been thinking about. So, starting off, I just want to throw out the quote from Carl Jung. It says we create the meaning of events. The meaning is, and always was, artificial. We make it. So I bring this up as I’ve been questioning the validity of the things I’ve put value to so far in my life. Basically, does it? Am I assigning the right purpose to things? Do they even serve a purpose? Do I take away the value of those things that don’t necessarily have a genuine purpose, like, do I take away the value that I isn’t actually gaining me anything I can tangibly Assign? I don’t know. I kind of walked in circles on that one Trap myself, but so I’ve been doing that with a couple different things in my life and I’m thinking kind of in terms of, like, the tangible means or the intangible things. So tangible in my mind is things like money, possessions. You know the things that I could like hold up and show you like if I had a book I could show you that right now versus the intangible, which is like the time experiences relationships, the small things that basically I’ve assigned value to because I’ve lived through them, if that makes sense. So my first question, before I kind of get into the longer stuff and I ramble for a little bit, is how would you determine if something is worth maintaining value in, especially if it doesn’t serve a face value purpose? So, more so, talking about the intangible things, like the time experience, relationships, how do you make sure that either it serves enough purpose to maintain and keep in your life or, if it has very low purpose, how do you decide there?

Jon Mayo: 4:31
So purpose and value like you did a good job prefacing are highly subjective Sometimes, like so what comes to mind immediately is a lot of people will put a lot of, spend a lot of time watching like television. Perhaps they really like a series and it becomes meaningful to them because they become enthralled with the story, right Like I’ve done it too. You know, watching like game thrones back in the day or something there’s, there’s seasons that I you know you get hooked, you enjoy the story. I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that. But so ever, my wife and I enjoy watching a television show from time to time, and it’s fairly rare that we get hooked by one. But when we do find one that we really like, we look forward to watching it together, you know. That being said, I’ve replaced my consumption of television probably well over 90, 95% of what I used to watch with other activities, and what’s interesting is I’m not necessarily trading it out solely based on this robotic evaluation of how productive is the time spend. That absolutely is a driving force in the intentionally changed behaviors, but it’s a little bit of a slower transition than that. So there’s this principle that originated in politics called the Overtin window, and the idea with the Overtin window is that there’s going to be like if you have a single linear line and on the left side of the line, if you’re looking at it, is one side of an extreme, on the right side is another, and you’re looking at a group of individuals and there’s a rectangle on the line and that rectangle wherever it is on the line really doesn’t matter represents what the norms and the acceptable behaviors of that group of people are. So the principle of shifting the Overtin window is if you want to create change, cultural change, you want to make it so that it’s that which people think is acceptable and normal is different, then what you will need to do is shift that window. Now, the reason that this principle is helpful is because you don’t just grab the window and slam it to the right or to the left, because everyone will rebel and you’ll break the system and they’ll break you right. That’s the essential thing. So what you do instead, you do hyper incremental changes to shift what is seen as acceptable and on large scale politics, that’s oftentimes in the form of decades and if not longer at. Those types of shifts will occur. As an individual, you can move to move much more swiftly, but still on the course of days, weeks, months and maybe years, depending on what types of things you’re trying to change and from where you’re going from and where you’re wanting to go to. So, all that to say, when looking at, should I have value in this thing that I’m spending my time on doing One, I’d question why am I asking myself that about the things I’m doing? That would make me immediately suspicious that I may intuitively be thinking okay, there, I should not continue doing something right. One of my buddies, shout out to Logan, shared this idea that one of the indicators that you’re growing up is that you put away childish things. So how do you know, as a, as a male, that you’re becoming a man? You’re putting away childish things? That was a really interesting thought to me because, like, which is a separate exploration, but it’s like okay, is what I’m doing producing an influence on who I am today, such that I’m becoming who I want to become over time? And I, to be clear, I think that the goal ultimately is value replacement, not just starvation. So a quick example if there’s like a game that you really enjoy playing, for example, right, there may be skills in playing that game that you can cultivate, and it may be something to continue doing without question, like after evaluation comes out and positive, we’re good to go right. But perhaps it’s like, I don’t know, call of duty or something where all you’re doing is spending time running and shooting things and cyclical. The pattern is very simple and that’s that. Perhaps that’s an immense pleasure to you. So in the value proposition, it’s worth doing, but it doesn’t help you to progress. Who you are, who you want to become, how you want to live your life, or the overall value on how your day is spent when you reflect on it that evening. Well then, you have a series of choices based on that analysis. You can limit the intake, you can remove the intake, but, or you can sustain it. But regardless of which of those three you choose, I think what’s imperative is that you replace it with something that becomes of higher value to you, and the simplest example I can think of is probably seven, eight years ago, I wanted to redeem my commute right, that windshield time, going to work in back, and up till that point, every time I drove in the car listening to music, every time I was like, well, now there’s all these podcasts, there’s all these books. What if I started doing that? Well, I found it boring. All right, I didn’t want to listen to a book. I didn’t want to listen to a podcast, I want to. I had a huge sound system. I wanted to shake the earth and feel my heart vibrate in my chest and have some fun with music. So I started this incremental process of, okay, just driving two work in the morning, I’ll listen to this book or this podcast, driving home onto music. And what ended up happening is I did that for about a month, a couple of weeks to a month, and then it went to. I started to get really into the books I was reading, really into the podcast I was listening to. So then it became okay, on Fridays and on the weekends I’ll listen to music. And then it became now where it’s like the only time I truly listen to music driving is if I’m driving to my jujitsu right, or on a rare occasion where I’m just like I desire to listen to music more so than to learn, and I’m going to just revel in the joy of that. So now where I used to listen to music 100% of time while I drive and I think music is a phenomenal thing and is an important part of life and creative expression and experience. So I’m not undervaluing that. But where I used to spend an hour a day listening to music, driving, I’m now able to spend, you know, of those, seven hours a week, six and a half of them pursuing knowledge in the things that can advance my life in a fashion that is more in line with what I value holistically and now I find joy in as well, because I’ve built up the value of experiencing it over that time and sequence of events. So any that was a lot. What do you think?

Brandon Seifert: 12:08
It definitely was a lot, but I think it also hit on something that I didn’t expect you to kind of say Basically the recharging or the didn’t say it all right, but kind of hinted towards it. The things that recharge you and build you up are the things that kind of provide more value, which you’re aiming at. You know whatever the purpose is is going to be, you know your goal, but the fact that you kind of hit on that is kind of where I was going with. That is like what, what actually gives you life, what, what is going to be? Because, like you said you, you could play video games where all you’re doing is hack and slash, kind of doing the same repetitive thing over and over again, and you can find enjoyment. But is that going to be overall guiding towards your, your purpose or to your energy expenditure? And I think that there are many things that give me life in the very simplistic nature of the things I do so, for example. So it was one thing that I recently tested was on my drive home, I so. So, basically, I value certain things very small things, just naturally more than you know. Others, just like everyone does, and one of those things is sunrises and sunsets and for some reason I felt the need to test does this actually give me anything out of it, minus just the beautiful moment in it? And so I decided, hey, there’s a beautiful sunset. What if I just don’t actually look at it? You know what? If I just drive on past, I continue my day and don’t spend that 30 seconds. So so, very interestingly, knowingly getting past the thing that I normally do, the thing that I like, it actually caused my energy to decrease for the remaining portion of my day because I didn’t decide to take those 30 seconds. And I realized later in that night that cash I’m trying to remember. I think it’s like rule 32 from the movie Zombielands or something like that. So very stupid movie, somewhat enjoyable, but rule 32, I believe, is enjoy the little things. And back when I first watched that movie, and over the course of the past year I’ve decided to try to live that and make that something that I always do. I mean, I know you’ve heard me mention quite a few different times that, like I’m all about trying to find the beauty and the things around me. You know, walking past Pike’s Peak is one that we do and I have both shared or stopped past it. You know where we can see it. Both of us will take a little bit of time just to look at it and just be an awe of the surrounding world and where we live and just be humbled by the life and the beauty that can surround us. Because walking through life with your eyes shut to me is what I used to do and that’s also led me down some very dark paths. So I’ve always promised to try to keep my eyes open. So when I decided not to do that, I went on some weird like depressed episode two nights ago. When I did that, and it’s so weird because the habit of trying to look for those things when you decide to turn it off or turn off the things that give you value but doesn’t serve necessarily an inherent purpose, but it can. It can shatter your world for that moment, like things. Things can turn upside down, and I went through like a very quick depression based episode because when I did turn it off, I stopped looking for the rest of the night and man, there’s, there’s a lot of. If you’re not looking for the things in life that give you value, but you’re used to looking, you see a lot of the bad around you as well. So those things where it’s like I would, and the reason why I like sunrises especially more is because it starts the day. So you see something beautiful in the start of your day and it kind of primes you for all of the bad or evil that you can witness in the day, because where all life can be very difficult, but if you can find some semblance of beauty in it, that that takes you so far, you know.

Jon Mayo: 17:06
It absolutely does, and that’s a really cool thought experiment that you just walked us through, or that little micro experiment that you put yourself through, right, and so much of what we explore, both in thought expeditions and on the relentless in the book, across the universal learning approach and the circles that we’re playing in, right, so much of what we’re exploring is how do we lead a maximized life, and what that means is hyper specific to each individual. However, there are some unifying things, and some of those things are like appreciate the beauty that’s around you, drink in the moment. Experience. Now, do it purposefully and intentionally. Why? Because we’re prone to misremember or assign meaning to that which has occurred in the past. We have no idea what’s true, what’s going to happen in the future, and certainly can’t guarantee it. So really, all we get is right now, and that’s why it’s called the present, because it’s a gift, which is a cheesy thing I love to point to, but it’s true. You know, like right now, I could be distracted and wasting this conversation, but instead I’m listening to you and I’m like yeah, that’s a beautiful example to juxtapose to something, say that we could say, objectively, is unhealthy or unhelpful, such as scrolling Instagram. Now, I’ve tried to justify that scrolling Instagram can be helpful if you’re looking for the right things and yes, I found gold from time to time but I would say that the preponderance of the things that I walk through there detract from my well being and subtract time from the equation, and oftentimes more than I wanted to. And that’s what you get as an individual. When there’s been a team that spent billions of dollars to design something to hack your behaviors to the benefit of having more screen time right, like it doesn’t take a lot of humility to realize that you’re probably going to lose against hundreds of people spending billions of dollars to outplay you. So I think it’s helpful to there are ways to win, like don’t engage or have timers would have you. But if I look at something like that or say which is better eating an apple or going for a walk versus drinking a soda that’s 40, 60 grams of sugar in it, objectively, the walk or the apple or the two of those things are both significantly healthier and will have significantly higher net positive effects on your mental, emotional, physical well being then you’re going to that soda will right when you want that energy pickup. So looking at the beauty in the day in the culinary world, chefs want you to eat with your eyes before you eat with your mouth, so that presentation is incredibly important. And I was sitting down with this older gentleman once at lunch in the meal came and he sat back Is that my grandfather Now that I remember? He sat back and he spun the plate around once about 180 degrees one way, then once 180 degrees the other way, and he’s just like you could see on his face he was choosing to be profoundly grateful for the beauty of the meal he got and wasn’t overly distracting, wasn’t over the top, it was just this quiet, like rotate, rotate, and then we continued our conversation. It took him two seconds and we continued our conversation. It wasn’t rushed but it was beautiful and to this day I work to implement a similar practice at every meal Because, like it’s amazing the beauty that can even be found in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, when you look at the texture of the bread and the thing and you think about what’s behind that and how, not that long ago, how difficult it would be to have something as simple as that to nourish yourself and it and the reason. I wanted to share that real quick, especially in line with, like looking at the sunset right is that beauty, that appreciation, the? I think those are all forms of gratitude, as well as discipline, practices of intentionality and purposeful living. And what you’re choosing to break out of the autopilot that so many of us go into when driving to drink in something that’s beautiful around you. In a similar way, it’s like stopping some of the roses. Why? Because otherwise you’re going to rush through life and never experience the joy, beauty and sensations that can be gifted to you from the environment you’re in. So I fully agree with the premise that we ought to do those things because, one, I think they cultivate gratitude. Two, I think they give life. And three, they are direct results of us intentionally controlling and being present in the moment and in control of our thoughts. And those three things allow us to break unintentional cycles and choose that which we’re participating in so that that way, at least at a bare minimum, when we lay down, at the end of the day, what we’re wrestling with is not dang. The day was a flash and I have no idea what I did or why, but I made a series of choices that I knew I made and I can adjust those if I didn’t like one, and that, I think, is a powerful juxtaposition and between that and the other reasons I already listed, it’s why we’ve talked before. I make a habit of every day, for at least 30 seconds, walking outside and looking at Pike’s Peak, walking outside, looking at the woodline near my home and getting those two intakes in and thinking about, wow, I’m grateful to be here and remembering when I wasn’t. Wow, I’m grateful to be seeing these things and remember when I go through the day without and just breathe and then go back on. And I think that there’s immense value in that, and I don’t think it has to be correlated to a checklist or a task completed. But that’s my opinion.

Brandon Seifert: 23:03
Definitely and I’m funny enough, I’ve never actually thought about it in the the gratitude of like eating with your eyes. In the past I’ve always been like, oh, what are these people doing? You know, taking pictures of the food and all this kind of stuff, but in some problems I think it’s still going to be a little cringy, but in some way they’re just appreciating the meal that they’re about to have, like the beauty of it. And I found myself doing that through multiple different scenarios. And I think it’s very interesting that when, when you do decide to have gratitude in the situation in the moment, it’s like it’s like time slows down. You pick up so much more of your senses because now you’re not on that autopilot. You know, and that’s one of the beauty parts of like sunrises for me, because that’s the example we’ve been using Is when you start watching that you can feel the, the air around you, you can hear the birds, but most of the time, throughout the day, you don’t do those things. You know it’s like your brain goes on complain mode and you’re like it’s hot, it’s cold, it’s whatever, but you’re not like oh well, the birds are singing and the, the feel of the sun. Yes, it’s warm, but it’s not like I’m going to cook.

Jon Mayo: 24:21
This is a sensation that I’m actually going to sit and enjoy and yes, so and you hit on something that I’m grateful you did and makes the day longer, right the more the more intentional we become with how we spend our time and the things that we do throughout the day, such as drinking, the beauty of the environment we’re in and breathe. I’m telling you, man, I feel like a month is a year, like, yeah, even more so. The joke I often, the joke I play with with my, my bride is a day is a month, like a week is a year and a month is a lifetime and a year is an eternity. And that feels so true now, like if I look at where things were one year ago, that seems like an insurmountable amount of time. But that’s also one of the most beautiful gifts that I can imagine. You know, I enjoy things that slow down time and allow me to really be present and drink it in. You know, there is, there is a immense satisfaction when you’re working to go into a flow state and you like wake up two hours later and you’ve accomplished this immense amount of tasks. That’s, that’s great when you’re working. But when you’re, if you have like six flow states in a day, holy crud, that day was a long time right. When you break up those flow states with meaningful moments, whether they be three minutes or 30 or an hour with family and friends. Now you’re literally living cycles of that could feel like days in a single day because of those things. So, like most things there’s, it’s not black and white, but you do get more life if you live it, when you live it purposefully, because you experience more of the moments your mind categorizes, the more you have more to process, and all that allows essentially the data packet of the day to be more dense. And it’s the only thing that I can extrapolate out, like when you know we’ve all seen in the movies or talk to someone who’s older, who’s there, like I’ve lived a full life. When my time comes, on that piece, and opposed to those who, who are also older, you know, in their eighties, nineties, what have you? And they’re, they’re desperately afraid to die and they have regrets of not having lived. Not that the one wants to die, you know, not that the first wants to, but they’re like, yeah, I’m going to keep on living, I’m going to keep enjoying every day, I’m going to keep maximizing it, but I’ve, I’m content, you know, I’ve done everything I could have. You know that juxtapositions beautiful, and it goes into so many of the previous conversations we’ve had. Because, because, what do you want to do when you lay down tonight? Do you want to look back on the day and be like, yeah, I could do this better, I could do that better, but, man, I’m grateful for these 10 things and I’m going to take those 10 things and reflect on them with gratitude and I’m going to choose tomorrow to strive to be better in these other things. Right, what? What more of a gift could we ask for than that and a day well spent?

Brandon Seifert: 27:34
Definitely, and that that touches on the subject of like lessons we can learn From death, and I think that would be a neat thought expedition we do eventually. But there’s, there’s a lot, a lot. You can learn doing those kind of thought experiments To determine Are you actually using your time wisely. And you know, when I went through my, my super long depression, every day felt like the same thing and I felt like I just kept waking up, going to work, coming home, maybe eat, if I remembered about it. It’s like you try to make the day as short as possible Just to get back to sleep, but when you start breaking out of that and you start trying to like face the things that you’re looking into, at least for me, the days got consumed, the days got considerably longer, and I love the idea that you know. You talked about the flow state. My favorite thing about flow state is that, like you said, that wake up moment when you’re like dude, where am I, what did I just do? Like you drinking, because you’re focused on this one thing so intensely, and then you wake up and you still carry some of that focus towards everything around you. That awareness is so powerful and I love that so much, but I did have one other quick topic that I wanted to quickly touch on. So I mean, if you’re good with that one, yeah, let’s go the other day. So me and my buddy, we’re looking for a place to live. You know we’re moving out and basically what happened was I found this place that I loved huge, huge plays, great price, had all of the fun, shiny bells and whistles inside of it, loud pets and all that kind of stuff. So I was like, hey, man, I know you haven’t seen it, we’re going to apply. And he basically said, all right, just so. You know that this kind of stuff gives me anxiety Because you know past experiences. I guess there’s something to do with putting his information out there. So he has a lot of anxiety, especially when he’s put on the. Hey, we’re doing this tonight or else we’re not going to get a kind of deal, but that’s that’ll be captured later. But I apply, I put the 60 bucks in for the application and one and I’m not sure if I’m going to get it and one ended up. Happening is he gets halfway through his application At like eight o’clock at night because he finally got off work and he said hey. So this is the first time I’ve done this portion of it. I don’t have my my payment security select my pay stubs like I can’t verify that right now. I’m sorry that I failed you and like it took me back like I. I know that I’ve done those kind of things where I’ve I’ve purposely Tried my best, but in the end I felt like I failed. I think you and I have had quite a few of those discussions early on as well, like and it was. It was such a humbling moment for me to be able to Just say well, hold on, you know, we we can look at the lens of this being a failure moment, or we could look through this with the lens of One. You just told me of extreme anxiety about these things and you were pushing through it no matter what. So you are, you were Deciding to get past the things that are holding you back in life Too. You also did this out of blind faith, because you have not seen this place, so you’re putting a lot of trust in me and so like I don’t. He said he couldn’t do it and I never once thought well, crap, man, like Get it did, do better. The entire time I was like man, this guy did a lot and he’s he’s improving and he’s really trying, and he did all of this for me, even though it hurt him in some way, to face those things. And so I try to do. You know, I walked him through my thought process and told him hey, you know, I never once Thought this was a failure. In fact I’m actually very proud of you but it was. It was such a humbling experience for me to be able to, to do that back, knowing I In some ways I still fight that but to be on the other side of being the person to, to guide someone through that failure, self-perceived failure, and point out the good that happened, man, that that warned my heart man, I felt so good and After another conversation with him like I know he’s at a better spot because I was willing to have that conversation and not just shut down, you know so. So I just thought it would be a very quick, cool thing to To add, because you know I’ve been struggling with all these other things and trying to find purpose and, you know, finding the value of my life and for me to To come through two realizations one, that I’m on the journey I’m, I’m able to start, I don’t want to say helping, like guiding, maybe I don’t know so like I feel like it’s like a when you feel like you’re failing or depressed. I feel like it’s almost like you’re in a dark room with a ton of like Shades and covers and like you can’t see any light and you’re just trying to find your way to the window so you can let in some light. In that moment I felt like I said hey, have you tried checking the walls? Maybe there’s a light switch, you know. Maybe. Maybe you know, maybe you’re looking for the wrong thing, maybe that, through all of this effort to try to wipe away the darkness and push through it, there’s an alternative way to look at this and Maybe that helped someone you know? Any inherent thoughts about that?

Jon Mayo: 34:04
Yeah, one congratulations. That’s incredibly exciting and I am grateful that you Didn’t let us close without sharing this, because it’s a direct Example of why we have these conversations. So the other day I was having a meet and greet with someone, getting to know them, and they asked me what be relentless is about with the overarching podcast is about. I told them we’re having exploratory conversations in which we are seeking to Journey together and find our way home so that we may lead a maximized life. And this individual, she asked me and she’s like okay, what, what does find your way home me? And I’m curious because I was just having a conversation about that and I told her. I said I think home is a place of peace and contentment and joy that’s cultivated by living, living presently, in the moment and Learning how to do that better, something, something to that end, and that can be applied through such a diverse Set of experiences that can really be tailored to. How that looks differs from individual to individual, but what it looks like systematically, fundamentally, is Very simple, right, not easy, but simple, and that’s how I define it. And it excited her because Essentially she was sussing out was a time of destination or means of being as we continue through things, and that was the intent there. But what you’re describing here is One the excitement for your friend to the excitement to have the insight of having walked that portion of the path and be able to see and point out hey, buddy, don’t let this thing trip you up here, let’s walk, let’s navigate this together and get a walk by him right. And then three the excitement, joy and gift of the reflection that that caused on Holy moly, I’m making progress Right. And those, those three points of excitement, I think, are all worth savoring and being grateful for. And that’s truly what this is all about. In that moment you got to come along your friend and walk alongside him towards a victory, towards an enhancement in health, towards all those things as his buddy, after having conquered the very similar or having made it immense progress in very similar struggles. And the joy in being able to invite people into Journaling, through life together, through this great adventure right, is precisely that. And you have no idea when you’ll be missing something and someone else or your buddy in this instance Sees what you’re missing and is able to point it out. And now you guys are traveling together in this beautiful Adventure right as you’re trying to make life better and more full, so I think it’s beautiful and an exact example of precisely that which we are pursuing.

Brandon Seifert: 36:56
Yeah, I don’t know why, but the quote from Seneca said it just kind of popped up from what you said, but it says we suffer more often in imagination than we do in reality, or something along those lines. And if we’re, if we’re not Keeping our eyes open, we’re gonna be trapped in that imagination and we often don’t see the beautiful things that are Often around us, even in the small moments.

Jon Mayo: 37:31
Want to flip that on its head. So imagine how much joy, peace, contentment in Excitement we could experience on the day-to-day if we choose the opposite. Thank you for listening to another episode of thought expeditions on the be relentless podcast. If you enjoyed today’s show and found value in it, please pay it forward. You can do that by sharing it with someone who you think may find value in it as well, or leaving us a five-star review wherever you’re listening to this. If you want to learn more about the work on the be relentless podcast, the book, or see she stamina and all the other cool things that we are doing in the ULA universe, go ahead and head on over to ula universe, calm and subscribe. Otherwise. Thank you from the be relentless team and have a great day.

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