Episode 50 from The Grit Theory, and The Grit Theory’s final episode! Stay tuned for details on the shows rebranding which is currently in the works.

Today we sit down with Tayler “The Griz” Clifton and enjoy a fun explorative conversation on life, the  Multi-Verse, Flowstate Jiu Jitsu, the future of The Grit Theory and more.

Resources discussed:
ULA Universe (Coming soon!)
Focus Toolkit by Huberman Lab

Also, check out Be Relentless: If the obstacle is the way, then we must be waymakers HERE.

Do you want to learn more? Check out:

The Book: Be Relentless: If the obstacle is the way, then we must be WayMakers.

The Podcast: “Be Relentless Podcast”

The Fuel: Sisu Stamina, Performance Evolved

Linktree: Here.

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Episode Transcript

00;00;12;08 – 00;00;41;04
Jon Mayo
Hello. After over six months, we are back for the Real World 50th episode for the Great Theory and also the last episode for the Great Theory. The show, the podcast. The exploration of thought will continue on with under the Universal Learning approach, and the show will be called Relentless, taking relentless action to unleash human Potential. So lots to follow.

00;00;41;04 – 00;01;08;29
Jon Mayo
They’re looking forward to exploring what that looks like and how the early universe will serve our community and things like that. So stay tuned for more. However, today we’re sitting down with my buddy Taylor Clifton, who I’ve dubbed the Griz, because in so many ways he’s like a freaking grizzly bear. So we will go ahead and proceed. Enjoying that conversation in what we decided we’d call the end.

00;01;08;29 – 00;01;25;00
Jon Mayo
So far, sparkling water.

00;01;25;00 – 00;01;28;21
Tayler Clifton
And I’m already burping.

00;01;28;21 – 00;01;34;06
Jon Mayo
Dude, we are actually disconnected and just here enjoying the moment. Yeah, it’s kind of fun.

00;01;34;10 – 00;01;39;08
Tayler Clifton
Now. I like doing that with my phone. Just shut it off every once in a while. It’s totally off.

00;01;40;00 – 00;01;55;04
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. So this is round two? Yeah, We had a good time a few weeks ago where I discovered that the audio quality was trash and we could not possibly put it out because it wouldn’t have been right or honoring to you or any of our listeners.

00;01;55;04 – 00;02;01;01
Tayler Clifton
But yeah, and I think that big echoey kitchen that we were in or dining room didn’t help that at all.

00;02;02;00 – 00;02;19;20
Jon Mayo
No, it was definitely a lesson in to the mobile recording studio. You have to pick your room very intentionally. Yeah. You know, I’ve gotten away with moving around to have conversations a couple of times. But thinking about it, that was the first time we did it in a room like, as wide open and hard surfaced as. Yeah. As your kitchen.

00;02;19;22 – 00;02;25;29
Jon Mayo
Yeah. And I knew better on some level because, like, they weren’t against kitchens, they didn’t sink in.

00;02;26;08 – 00;02;48;18
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I kind of thought maybe my office would work, but it’s tough to get two of us to actually have a place, a space to sit down because my desk is kind of a it’s against a wall, but it has a piece that comes out. Mm hmm. But there’s no way we’re fitting all that podcasting equipment there. And, you know, we don’t want to have no space at all to have drinks and stuff.

00;02;49;04 – 00;02;56;17
Jon Mayo
No, especially we’re both larger needs. Yeah. And they came up with an inappropriate bad name for that.

00;02;56;17 – 00;03;00;17
Tayler Clifton
But, yeah, I like it. I do, too. Joe? Yeah. Joe hates it.

00;03;01;02 – 00;03;03;28
Jon Mayo
I imagine why? It sounds very close to a very bad.

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Tayler Clifton
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00;03;05;15 – 00;03;12;21
Jon Mayo
So we’ll leave that for those who know. Yeah. You know, if you know, you know, Chad knows. Chad does. And he loves using it even in public places.

00;03;12;21 – 00;03;14;22
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, even at class. He’ll use it. He doesn’t care.

00;03;14;22 – 00;03;21;02
Jon Mayo
Yeah. Goodness gracious, man. Well, good for him. Yeah, I avoid those types of situations.

00;03;21;06 – 00;03;24;10
Tayler Clifton
I’ll do it. We’re talking to other big jujitsu people.

00;03;24;23 – 00;03;25;26
Jon Mayo
Who understand the who.

00;03;25;27 – 00;03;32;05
Tayler Clifton
Who who were there for that conversation or have been filled in.

00;03;32;05 – 00;03;34;20
Jon Mayo
How have you been, man? Oh.

00;03;35;10 – 00;04;12;26
Tayler Clifton
Works has been rough lately. It’s been there’s been quite a few days this week where I was work until like 830 at night, which I don’t mind doing, but it’s not fun. No, I would much rather go to jujitsu, hang out with you, sit at home and play video games, not think about anything. But it really I mean, it’s been a rough week, but there is like some of it like Wednesday night, I could have honestly been done like six had gone to class, but I figured I might as well avoid having to do this for two more days.

00;04;13;21 – 00;04;14;02
Jon Mayo
And just.

00;04;14;15 – 00;04;22;07
Tayler Clifton
Be done tonight. And then yesterday I just worked a normal a normal day, and today I was off and it was fantastic.

00;04;22;14 – 00;04;23;26
Jon Mayo
Cool. So the search paid off?

00;04;24;00 – 00;04;50;27
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. Yeah. So some of that, it’s kind of I feel like it’s a good metaphor for the the adage of working really, really hard when you’re young. So when you are older, you’re more relaxed and you can take that time to kind of stop and smell the roses. So that was nice. It was a good hard grind of, you know, three days and then the last two days have been pretty nice.

00;04;50;29 – 00;04;51;10
Tayler Clifton
Cool.

00;04;52;11 – 00;04;53;25
Jon Mayo
So kind of recovering on that. Yeah.

00;04;54;07 – 00;04;54;14
Tayler Clifton
Yep.

00;04;55;07 – 00;05;19;11
Jon Mayo
I have a unique, slightly self torturous perspective on workloads that are fun. I just listen to a pretty interesting episode. I don’t have any affiliation to them, but Huberman. Dr. Huberman, he had one called the Focus Toolkit where for like almost 2 hours he just broke down a bunch of tools that have all the support to him that help.

00;05;20;01 – 00;05;32;14
Jon Mayo
The one that helped me the most from it is focusing my work periods in the same rhythm as you do sleep. So like I’ll calculate my sleep in 90 minute increments so you know, four and a half hours or six.

00;05;32;27 – 00;05;33;09
Tayler Clifton
Get you.

00;05;33;15 – 00;05;52;06
Jon Mayo
Something like that. Because I, I understand once you’re in sleep that you kind of have that roughly 90 minute cycle. You’re learning that for focus as well and kind of like how to enter and exit those periods. And what to do in between has been really interesting. And you mentioned an energy type experiment. Yeah, I want to hear about also.

00;05;52;18 – 00;05;57;13
Tayler Clifton
So I was basically testing your CCU product is what I do.

00;05;57;21 – 00;05;58;15
Jon Mayo
Oh.

00;05;58;15 – 00;06;09;05
Tayler Clifton
So I decided to this week try to see try to gauge energy, energy and focus going into this week knowing it was going to be a hefty workload week.

00;06;09;14 – 00;06;09;20
Jon Mayo
Okay.

00;06;10;18 – 00;06;30;23
Tayler Clifton
Monday I think I was way too tired. In the morning I decided to scrap it and just drink as much coffee as I could to or as much hobbies. I needed to just get through the work and finish the day up. Tuesday I stuck with about two two cups of coffee. It was one at.

00;06;30;23 – 00;06;34;02
Jon Mayo
About seven.

00;06;34;02 – 00;06;47;26
Tayler Clifton
630 or seven. I have the notes at home. I forgot to bring them and then another one around 11 ish a little bit before lunch and I noticed my energy levels were were fine, but focus was still not quite there.

00;06;48;00 – 00;06;48;11
Jon Mayo
Hmm.

00;06;49;03 – 00;07;08;25
Tayler Clifton
And this was also, you know, me 15 minutes into that podcast that you sent me, the focus tool kit I was trying not to listen to it while I was working because I wanted to focus on the podcast. Mm hmm. So I was listening to what I was driving and trying to just progress through it. And there’s there’s definitely some interesting stuff in there.

00;07;08;26 – 00;07;21;27
Tayler Clifton
But anyways, back to the experiment. So Wednesday and this is I try to keep it all in the same environment. So Wednesday I did just a CSU tablet in the morning and it felt like.

00;07;22;09 – 00;07;22;24
Jon Mayo
I had the.

00;07;23;10 – 00;07;25;28
Tayler Clifton
Same energy level, but kind of prolonged.

00;07;26;06 – 00;07;26;16
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

00;07;27;11 – 00;07;38;26
Tayler Clifton
From the compared to the coffee. So I didn’t feel like I needed anything at 11:00. It was more of a 2:00. And I was like, Well, probably should avoid caffeine at this hour of the day.

00;07;39;02 – 00;07;39;12
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

00;07;40;08 – 00;08;06;02
Tayler Clifton
And then yesterday, granted, my workload was a little lower. Yesterday I did a CCU in the morning before I went to Jujitsu, which I hadn’t done the other days. I just needed to get a class in. And I had a really good energy spike during the class and kind of sustained it throughout the morning and was kind of just sipping on coffee throughout the day.

00;08;06;02 – 00;08;36;02
Tayler Clifton
And then when I got home from the class, I ate about an ounce of raw beef liver. So I was trying to put together the what is the ideal energy in my mind, how it would work. And it was fantastic. I didn’t feel any loss of focus or energy deterioration until like three 330. That’s not to say I wasn’t motivated throughout the day, but the focus and energy levels were definitely there.

00;08;36;03 – 00;08;38;15
Tayler Clifton
So I really liked that combination of.

00;08;39;04 – 00;08;39;12
Jon Mayo
A.

00;08;39;27 – 00;08;55;05
Tayler Clifton
Not a ton of coffee. It wasn’t it wasn’t a full two cups. It was probably about a cup and a half. It was one big iced coffee. And then the CSA and then the beef liver. I think the three of them together were just perfect. So it worked and worked exactly like I thought it would.

00;08;55;21 – 00;09;19;22
Jon Mayo
That’s very encouraging, right? I definitely appreciate and diving into that because I’ve ran a lot of different experiments with it over the last two years as we’ve been developing it. So thank you one for imposing yourself to that and then also for sharing it. It’s interesting because stimulants, specifically caffeine, does not give us energy. It really blocks the chemicals in our body that make us feel tired.

00;09;20;00 – 00;09;44;17
Jon Mayo
Right. So it doesn’t provide energy. It removes the feeling of fatigue. So that’s a good thing to be aware of. But a lot of the other things in CC stamina specifically do help. Fortify are our body’s response to activity. Right. Mental and physical. So it is made to have a well-rounded, sustained boost in performance. Mm hmm. Couple that though, with a good source of protein and fat.

00;09;44;27 – 00;10;07;03
Jon Mayo
Right. That provides a real authentic energy. So now you have, like, these two things working together very symbiotically in the what I love that you touched on with the two coffees, and this is my favorite thing to do by far is take this issue the micro dose caffeine until about 1:02 p.m.. Yeah. Just by sipping on a little bit of coffee.

00;10;07;03 – 00;10;27;15
Jon Mayo
And it seems just to keep you from falling out of that because the issue itself, like you said, it’ll last around four or 5 hours before you start to notice that. Okay, it’s starting to fade slowly, but it’s not like a sharp crash. So just, you know, a few hours in, starting to sip on coffee, have it on your desk and just take a few sips as you go about your work.

00;10;27;26 – 00;10;32;11
Jon Mayo
It seems to keep you in that like, ideal end for a pretty dang long time.

00;10;32;20 – 00;10;50;25
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it’s exactly what I noticed. And it was like, you know, this blender bottle size, nice coffee. And so it wasn’t like I said, it wasn’t a ton of coffee, but it was a good amount. But it took me until probably 1:00 to finish it. I mean, I didn’t feel like I needed it. I was I was drinking it because I, I like coffee, first of all.

00;10;51;13 – 00;11;06;15
Tayler Clifton
But it also was like I was trying to focus on not drinking it just because I liked it, but more of a let’s maintain energy, feel a little bit of a dip, let’s bring it back up a little bit. And then I was drinking water with that.

00;11;07;05 – 00;11;07;09
Jon Mayo
To.

00;11;07;16 – 00;11;11;09
Tayler Clifton
Try to to curb the want of drinking coffee.

00;11;12;07 – 00;11;33;21
Jon Mayo
Here, because I have it strong. Mm hmm. Like, I’ll go through a pot half if I don’t check myself so easy. Just being really intentional about having ice water. Like. Like you’re talking about. Help me to. That’s awesome, man. That’s really exciting. So coupling that to like the the things I’ve been experimenting a lot with from, like the Focus Toolkit piece we were talking about specifically the 90 minute rhythms for Focus.

00;11;34;14 – 00;11;56;28
Jon Mayo
And then like an intentional getting into that groove. Right? Like, okay, it’s 9 minutes to focus, allowing myself that five, 10 minutes of grace to sink into gear has been huge. And the brainwave app, again, no affiliation super cool because you can over put overlay on top of it any music you want right Or just have the brainwaves.

00;11;56;28 – 00;12;19;17
Jon Mayo
But like using those seems to help. If nothing else, it just blocks out some of the mental chatter for me and like external stimuli. But the 90 minute cycles have been huge, so this week I’ve gotten at least 190 minute focus session today and at odd hours, which has been awesome. Yesterday and today. Yesterday I did four and that was a push.

00;12;19;17 – 00;12;37;15
Jon Mayo
And one of them I wasn’t going to be able to break it up 90 minutes on, 30 minutes off like I had wanted to do for the morning, which was extremely sustainable. Just like 90 minutes of focus, 30 minutes, go for a walk, workout from the pool or something and I’m into work. And again, just repeat the first three, no problem.

00;12;37;19 – 00;12;59;26
Jon Mayo
As I was aiming for five, which is pretty robust. Yeah. And I ended up only having the breakdown that I could essentially surge for 2 hours and 48 minutes straight or not. And I didn’t really have admin work, so I wanted to just get into deep work and I did it and I got to about 2 hours and 20 minutes and that was the fourth session.

00;13;00;06 – 00;13;23;27
Jon Mayo
I think if I’m not misremembering or yeah, it was the fourth combined with when I wanted to do four and five, okay, dude, I was like having a hard time putting sentences together even of that. And I had one more I wanted to do last night, which I ultimately did, but there was like four or 5 p.m. and I was in there just like trying to just formulate what I should pick up that evening.

00;13;24;25 – 00;13;38;00
Jon Mayo
I was genuinely struggling to put together so depleted and then recovered over the three or 4 hours after that and was able to get into a much lighter work but productive session that evening.

00;13;38;02 – 00;13;38;14
Tayler Clifton
Nice.

00;13;38;19 – 00;13;49;09
Jon Mayo
So I really realized that like today I had the freedom to do the same type of experiment and I’ve stuck to 19 throw off and not try to combine the focus sessions.

00;13;49;10 – 00;13;50;03
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, you know, I’ve.

00;13;50;13 – 00;13;52;16
Jon Mayo
I’ve done four already.

00;13;52;25 – 00;13;53;10
Tayler Clifton
Nice.

00;13;53;13 – 00;13;54;16
Jon Mayo
And I’m feeling sharp.

00;13;54;22 – 00;13;55;11
Tayler Clifton
That’s awesome.

00;13;55;11 – 00;14;01;29
Jon Mayo
So it’s kind of cool to see like these tool, like they’re just small bits of data can really help transform what you can do.

00;14;02;13 – 00;14;33;16
Tayler Clifton
I tried to chase that this week during the 90 minute cycles, but my meeting schedule really did not want me to do that. There was not very many 30 minute breaks in there to to get that in, but there was definitely some good work bits, you know, once all that died down and actually got to like the evening time when there was no meetings going on and I was just jumping in to work and just trying to kill it, I definitely felt like I needed a break before before I started all that.

00;14;34;00 – 00;14;59;28
Tayler Clifton
And then what I used to ramp up. I hadn’t actually gotten to the I know you had mentioned those 40 hertz neuro neuro neural by neural beats. Yeah. I hadn’t gotten to that part of the podcast yet, so I didn’t want to integrate yet, not knowing 100%. So what I did for just a quick ramp up was I just did a Sudoku puzzle on my phone just to kind of activate my brain a little bit.

00;15;00;05 – 00;15;14;18
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, but not, not anything too hard to actually start the actual focus. Okay, So that was nice. And it was about, you know, taking about five, 10 minutes to finish a puzzle and then just jumping to work. As long as I’m able to put my phone down and not start to all through Instagram.

00;15;15;02 – 00;15;42;20
Jon Mayo
Yeah, that’s fine. Yeah, I like it to kind of like break the break the barrier. It’s a fun, like task puzzle thing and then you’re kind of in that mode of thought anyways. You can go, That’s cool. Through the cool. I can’t believe how much sustained effort though I’ve gotten out because typically when I have these days of focused work, I struggle to get started and then I struggle to maintain like I’ll get into a rhythm.

00;15;43;07 – 00;15;52;08
Jon Mayo
And then after that rhythm the rest of the day, when I fall out of it, it’s just fighting to get back into it, you know, and like very aggravating. Last two days have completely revolutionized that.

00;15;52;12 – 00;15;59;13
Tayler Clifton
That’s awesome. Yeah, I’ve definitely noticed that same kind of pattern for me when I work from home. Like, I’ll have one good work bit.

00;15;59;21 – 00;16;00;10
Jon Mayo
Mm.

00;16;00;10 – 00;16;39;01
Tayler Clifton
In the morning and then kind of just fall off and then it’s like, okay, look at my phone, look at meetings, look at, you know, look at chats from work, people checking email and it’s kind of just all over the place. And I definitely excited to do a work from home day when I’m not swamped with meetings and just sitting there listening to people to sit down layout of tasks like lay out a set of tasks to finish within 90 minutes, take my 30 minute food break, or maybe, maybe even there’s a meeting in there to actually use as a break and then have another list of tasks to finish in another 90 minutes and

00;16;39;01 – 00;16;39;23
Tayler Clifton
see how it goes.

00;16;40;05 – 00;17;08;23
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. And along those lines, when I’m in office, there’s no way I have the time without interruption. So I want to experiment with our blocks where if I have an hour, I give myself 10 minutes to sink into deep work and then just goes up to the end of the hour. Right. And she because if I can do that, I can string I can get an hour here, hour there to do like focused work on projects that require thought beyond, just like doing email and responses and things like that.

00;17;09;08 – 00;17;11;13
Jon Mayo
So I think that’ll be more fruitful in office.

00;17;11;22 – 00;17;12;17
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, but.

00;17;12;20 – 00;17;17;01
Jon Mayo
It’s exciting to see. Okay, I’ve an hour tonight. I can use that now.

00;17;17;02 – 00;17;17;12
Tayler Clifton
Have 40.

00;17;17;12 – 00;17;20;23
Jon Mayo
5 minutes. Okay. I’m going to have about half an hour of focused work.

00;17;20;26 – 00;17;21;02
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

00;17;21;14 – 00;17;38;26
Jon Mayo
And I’m going to leave right medicines, which kind of helps pick it back up. Right. That’s a really cool tip to that’s not in that podcast is if you’re working on a big project, finish your working session like mid-sentence mid action.

00;17;38;26 – 00;17;41;13
Tayler Clifton
Don’t wait to get to a stopping point. Hmm. Interesting.

00;17;41;13 – 00;18;02;27
Jon Mayo
I just thought it like halfway through an equation in a sentence, whatever the case may be. And what I found is every time I do that, I have to read a few sentences before. So like, go back to three sentences, read through up through that, the half sentence that’s left and boom, I’m already knowing where to go and I can just pick right up.

00;18;02;27 – 00;18;03;14
Jon Mayo
That’s awesome.

00;18;03;22 – 00;18;07;06
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, that’s really cool. I’ll have to try that.

00;18;07;06 – 00;18;10;27
Jon Mayo
So fun. Hacks for productivity and exacting a lot.

00;18;10;27 – 00;18;11;06
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

00;18;11;24 – 00;18;17;14
Jon Mayo
I told you I’ve been going insane. I feel like things are starting to come together. I’m getting excited about it.

00;18;17;23 – 00;18;18;07
Tayler Clifton
That’s awesome.

00;18;18;07 – 00;18;36;07
Jon Mayo
On the universal learning approach front The early Universe. One of the fun things is this episode is two things one Episode 50 So it’s exciting and it’s the last episode of The Grit Theory. Oh yeah.

00;18;36;07 – 00;18;37;01
Tayler Clifton
Rebranding.

00;18;37;01 – 00;18;37;23
Jon Mayo
Rebranding.

00;18;37;23 – 00;18;38;07
Tayler Clifton
Nice.

00;18;38;07 – 00;18;56;08
Jon Mayo
So this is the last form episode, The Grit Theory. The show will continue on in the same channel. So it’ll all be built upon it. But this foundation and the error, the era of it being under the Grit theory, title and brand, we get to close out together today.

00;18;56;08 – 00;18;56;23
Tayler Clifton
I like it.

00;18;56;29 – 00;18;57;08
Jon Mayo
Which I’m.

00;18;57;08 – 00;18;58;04
Tayler Clifton
Excited. Feel special.

00;18;58;24 – 00;19;09;03
Jon Mayo
Yeah man. Because with the clothes also is the new beginning and it’s perfect. Yeah because right now what I’m, what I’m leading with is rebranding it to Relentless.

00;19;09;15 – 00;19;11;07
Tayler Clifton
Oh, I like it. Yeah, that’s awesome.

00;19;11;07 – 00;19;15;27
Jon Mayo
Take relentless action to unlock human potential, to unleash human potential. Yeah. Excuse me.

00;19;16;13 – 00;19;28;05
Tayler Clifton
I kind of. I’m going to tie in something. The new Slipknot album. This is going to seem random, but I promise I’m going somewhere with a new slip in. Our album came out today and it’s called The End So Far.

00;19;28;27 – 00;19;29;10
Jon Mayo
Ooh.

00;19;29;13 – 00;19;33;28
Tayler Clifton
And I think that’s kind of applicable to this podcast. The End so far.

00;19;33;28 – 00;19;38;18
Jon Mayo
You had the NCAA tournament drop that down. It sounds like we may have to play that drone murder match tomorrow.

00;19;38;19 – 00;19;39;18
Tayler Clifton
Oh, we might have to.

00;19;39;26 – 00;19;40;16
Jon Mayo
Are you drawing it?

00;19;41;06 – 00;20;02;25
Tayler Clifton
I’m only I’ve only listened to one brand new song so far. There was a couple of singles that came out and I’d heard them before and that’s and listening to it in order, I always I always like to do that. When an album comes out because I feel like the artist intentionally put the songs in that order for a reason, even if it’s even if there’s no reason.

00;20;02;25 – 00;20;27;07
Tayler Clifton
I feel like there’s a reason, if I should say if even if there’s not a reason. You can see between the songs, there’s a reason that they have maybe a ballad followed up by something super heavy or for vice versa, whatever. They they’re the ones that know they’re all the production people. So I like to follow at least the first listen through, follow the order of the album.

00;20;28;01 – 00;20;41;22
Jon Mayo
It’s awesome because music, like most arts, I think, are intended to take us on a journey, right? So you’re respecting that. I don’t know any of the ones you like, though, that you think are appropriate. Please add them to the playlist fan.

00;20;41;22 – 00;20;42;18
Tayler Clifton
I’ve been and stuff.

00;20;42;19 – 00;20;43;03
Jon Mayo
Yes.

00;20;43;20 – 00;20;44;25
Tayler Clifton
That they love that playlist.

00;20;44;29 – 00;20;59;29
Jon Mayo
Indeed. It’s growing and I’m selective on who we add to it just because I don’t want people putting trash in their. But I shared it with my sister and she’s texted me like five or six times this week while she’s been trained with like, This playlist is saving my life.

00;20;59;29 – 00;21;00;21
Tayler Clifton
That’s awesome.

00;21;00;21 – 00;21;05;24
Jon Mayo
And then Funny Things to You is like, What in the heck? That is so crazy because the blend that we have. Yeah, it’s just.

00;21;05;29 – 00;21;07;15
Tayler Clifton
It’s all over the place.

00;21;07;22 – 00;21;10;03
Jon Mayo
From folk to death metal.

00;21;10;03 – 00;21;11;05
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, yeah.

00;21;12;02 – 00;21;12;25
Jon Mayo
Everything in between.

00;21;12;29 – 00;21;33;15
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it’s a good playlist I’ve even added. I don’t listen to much outside of metal, but I’ve even because of that kind of all over the place, having some lighter songs to make heavy stuff heavier. I’ve even added some stuff in there that’s not normally what I listen to, but just kind of songs that I can vibe to because it’s usually when we’re when we’re out rolling.

00;21;33;15 – 00;21;49;21
Tayler Clifton
And so there was a what was it in turnaround, the name of the song? It was a Post Malone song and it was in it was in the animated Spider-Man movie. And I love it. Like, I remember driving to your house one morning. I was like, I was listening to it and I was kind of dancing in the truck.

00;21;49;26 – 00;22;08;27
Tayler Clifton
And and then that day you shared the podcast, you shared that podcast, the playlist with me. And I instantly added that to it because it was I was like, This is good. I can kind of sing along to it a little bit or while we’re rolling. And I was telling Chad or no, someone else was telling Chad. He was like, Taylor.

00;22;09;19 – 00;22;16;00
Tayler Clifton
Taylor sings when he rolls with me. And I was like, I promise I’m not doing it to be an asshole. I’m doing it because.

00;22;17;00 – 00;22;18;16
Jon Mayo
One.

00;22;18;16 – 00;22;47;20
Tayler Clifton
I’m going for the cardio effect of being able to talk while you’re going through strenuous exercise. If you can talk, there is I remember reading it or seeing it somewhere from a guy who does. He posts a lot of stuff for jujitsu, specific resistance training, and he was saying if you can talk while you’re doing your cardio sessions, but you’re still, you know, you feel like you’re getting a good burn from it, You’re you’re in a good spot.

00;22;48;11 – 00;23;01;26
Tayler Clifton
You should be able to talk while you’re doing it, but still be feeling, you know, feeling your lungs being taxed on your body being taxed. And so that’s kind of what I was following with it. But then Chad brought the point. He’s like, that’s kind of the whole idea of flow state.

00;23;02;05 – 00;23;02;14
Jon Mayo
Hmm.

00;23;02;28 – 00;23;16;15
Tayler Clifton
It’s it’s being able to just flow through jiu jitsu and you don’t even have to think about it. And I was like, That’s perfect. It’s it’s more it’s multipurpose to me, singing while I’m while I’m rowing and people think I’m an asshole. So it’s great.

00;23;16;26 – 00;23;35;25
Jon Mayo
I did. I did. I used to tell my guys stories. When we’re in hard, physically demanding events, I could tell people are starting to suck. I just start telling stories. Yeah. And get them out of their headspace and it it serve to check what my level was. Right? Because if I was sucking in, I could overcome that and tell a story that was helpful to you.

00;23;35;25 – 00;23;54;13
Jon Mayo
Right? So there’s all these dimensions to it. I’m glad you brought up, Chad, because I do want to put some positive vibes out there. Yeah, right. Him and our gyms doing it, everything like that, because I am super excited about it. I’m to end it like I have zero remorse for the changes that are happening. I miss nothing.

00;23;54;27 – 00;23;57;23
Jon Mayo
I only see brighter days ahead and.

00;23;57;29 – 00;23;58;19
Tayler Clifton
It’s going to be good.

00;23;58;29 – 00;24;04;28
Jon Mayo
I am very strongly in the stance of flow state jiu jitsu here and Vulkan and then online for the world.

00;24;04;28 – 00;24;07;25
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, huge proponent. I already have my fellow state rash guard on the way.

00;24;08;01 – 00;24;09;05
Jon Mayo
I need to order mine today.

00;24;09;10 – 00;24;11;20
Tayler Clifton
Oh, you better hurry up. You always put in order. And so.

00;24;11;24 – 00;24;35;18
Jon Mayo
Did I. I was shifting into I’ll do it before we leave each other. I was shifting into a focus state and I saw the notification like, I cannot let myself be distracted by this because they don’t kick off or delay the whole. Yeah. So before we go, I’ll order mine. Okay? Because I’m super excited about it. But the thing I want to also speak to is just I’m very impressed by how they’ve handled it.

00;24;35;18 – 00;24;58;04
Jon Mayo
So to keep it very high level, he had a business partner in gym owner and cogent miner owner. Right. And they were looking at going different ways for different reasons. Pretty amiably had seen things took a pretty dark turn swiftly. And, you know, you expect a lot of tit for tat name calling, kind of just throwing projectiles at each other.

00;24;58;05 – 00;25;30;10
Jon Mayo
Right. But my observation, walking through this with the Meyers Chad and Jade and with the school is they have not allowed themselves. Who wants to do that? Instead, the focus has very intentionally been we love them or sad, this has happened. We love our school. You know, they sold their house, quit their jobs, everything to do it. They love our community and they’re just going to keep showing up to train jiu jitsu to fight and to invest in the people who show up.

00;25;30;13 – 00;25;33;21
Jon Mayo
Yeah. And I was like, I will stand by that every day.

00;25;33;29 – 00;25;57;22
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. I really like the philosophy that he’s taken into this kind of second half of the gym. I don’t want to call it half, but this, this new phase of the gym, I really like the philosophy he’s brought in and I really like what he’s doing with, like, our social media, like the he’s been posting almost every day is like a student of the day, kind of giving someone props or cheering a good story.

00;25;58;03 – 00;25;59;17
Tayler Clifton
I remember reading what?

00;25;59;22 – 00;26;01;10
Jon Mayo
Ali Mm hmm.

00;26;01;10 – 00;26;13;19
Tayler Clifton
I had no idea that he was actually from overseas. And so I read that I was like, Wow, that’s this is really interesting. Like, you And I feel like it’s going to bring our community even closer together by learning about specific people every day.

00;26;13;29 – 00;26;40;28
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. Yeah. Like, it’s so fun and you and you’re kind of just starting to see this person, Chad’s personality, flourish a bit more and come out and I’m all for it, man, because he is such an eclectic, brilliant dude and an absolute monster to fight against and you sing to gauge yourself. He sings and says the presidents names and orders and all this thing not for his own benefit, but just to be an asshole.

00;26;40;28 – 00;26;48;14
Tayler Clifton
He did. He did mention that it was part of that whole flow state mentality, but I was like, Yeah, but you’re just being an asshole too. He’s like, Yeah, I am.

00;26;48;16 – 00;26;52;23
Jon Mayo
He’s using it to make a very strong point to the person. He’s wrong.

00;26;52;29 – 00;27;07;09
Tayler Clifton
But he definitely is. And that, I mean, you can tell when he’s in that flow state because he starts doing that, he doesn’t have to think about jiu jitsu, which I mean, most of the time he doesn’t have to, but you can really tell he’s externalizing that he doesn’t have to think about it.

00;27;07;28 – 00;27;25;06
Jon Mayo
Well, yeah, And where I found so I found like two versions of him flowing in. I have no problem talking about him. I’m going to tag him up in our show and stuff, so I know him now. But like the two types are one where he’s really instructing, especially the newer guys. He hasn’t done. The president’s with me for a while, and after he hears this, he probably will just rub it in.

00;27;25;06 – 00;27;43;06
Jon Mayo
But me too. Yeah. The first few months when I would try to muscle on too much stuff, you know, I wasn’t. I was more just fighting and not using technique. He would do it a lot to demonstrate that all my effort was worthless, right? Because I was misapplying myself. So that’s kind of like the one version of Flow.

00;27;43;06 – 00;28;02;02
Jon Mayo
He’s in this like really instructional and bored, and he does that just to say, like, you’re doing it wrong and then the other one is where you pick up the pace just enough that he actually starts trying a little bit right now and it’s hard to tell. And he just starts firing on a different level. Yeah. And that that to me is like, oh, boy.

00;28;02;12 – 00;28;20;09
Jon Mayo
And he kind of becomes he doesn’t call himself this anymore, but he kind of become too slow ground demon, right? Yeah. That he’ll just you’ll, you’ll be rolling with him all of a sudden you have to tap and then like he’ll just jump again and it’s kind of like the, the electrons around Adam just smashing you. Yeah. Seven submissions, like in 10 seconds.

00;28;20;09 – 00;28;21;12
Jon Mayo
It’s horrible, but yeah, love it.

00;28;21;15 – 00;28;37;29
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it’s fantastic. I got a little bit of that on Wednesday when I went in the afternoon. I went to the lunch class. Yeah, there was a little bit of that side of Chad. Come on. I was like, Oh boy, that was a fun day. We were chasing legs and stuff. We were actually because we had we had gone over toe holds.

00;28;37;29 – 00;28;58;15
Tayler Clifton
We were actually kind of hunting it. And he, he had mentioned something. We were, we were kind of shit talking while we were rolling. And I grabbed his foot while he was in guard and I was still standing and I kind of walked around and he inverted. He had mentioned something during the instructional portion of class that you can jump to a toehold when someone inverts.

00;28;59;15 – 00;29;02;20
Tayler Clifton
So I jumped to a toehold and he was like, You were paying attention, weren’t you?

00;29;04;02 – 00;29;06;11
Jon Mayo
It’s like, Dang it, that clicked faster that I.

00;29;06;11 – 00;29;17;21
Tayler Clifton
Actually it was funny because I didn’t I didn’t wait for him to invert. I, I walked around him and made him invert. So it was kind of fun. It was kind of like a I’m going for it.

00;29;18;02 – 00;29;33;08
Jon Mayo
Yeah. And I love the picture I just got. You have a hold of his leg and you’re spinning him around and that’s why you have the nickname of grizzlies, right? Like a grizzly bear, man, fighting is like finding a damn grizzly bear. And that’s a perfect picture of it.

00;29;33;10 – 00;29;38;10
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, that was pretty much what happened, is I love the video that you got. The one day.

00;29;38;28 – 00;29;39;05
Jon Mayo
When.

00;29;39;05 – 00;29;47;04
Tayler Clifton
We were rolling in your garage of me grabbing someone by the leg because we were close to the edge of the mat. And I. I literally just drugged them back to the middle of the mat.

00;29;47;08 – 00;29;47;18
Jon Mayo
Yes.

00;29;47;28 – 00;29;51;18
Tayler Clifton
And I was like, it’s a bear dragging its food back to the dead.

00;29;51;18 – 00;30;00;21
Jon Mayo
It is exactly the mental picture I have. And what it feels like fighting you. By the way, are you strength training? I don’t know. Okay. The good this.

00;30;00;23 – 00;30;02;10
Tayler Clifton
I almost did this morning because.

00;30;03;01 – 00;30;03;20
Jon Mayo
I was like, maybe.

00;30;03;20 – 00;30;05;02
Tayler Clifton
I should start lifting again.

00;30;05;02 – 00;30;10;10
Jon Mayo
Well, you can or can’t. I’m just going to throw the glove at you that if you don’t enjoy being stronger for now.

00;30;11;22 – 00;30;21;06
Tayler Clifton
That was exactly the mentality this morning was like, John’s going to get stronger if I don’t go. I was like, But not this week. So I’m good.

00;30;22;04 – 00;30;26;09
Jon Mayo
Keep saying that, man, because it’s going to sleep up on you.

00;30;26;17 – 00;30;49;10
Tayler Clifton
I will say I am definitely I feel like my strength does not reflect in the gym. I definitely don’t. I mean, from what people say after we roll, if I were to tell them the numbers I could put up in the gym, they’d be like, That’s absurd. That’s. There’s no way you’re lifting that little. I’m like, when I bench.

00;30;49;10 – 00;30;55;09
Tayler Clifton
Like if I try to like if I were to go to the gym today, granted no strength training since like, April.

00;30;55;12 – 00;30;55;21
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

00;30;57;12 – 00;31;01;21
Tayler Clifton
But if I were to go to the gym today and throw 135, you know, just to 45.

00;31;02;04 – 00;31;02;09
Jon Mayo
Or.

00;31;02;09 – 00;31;06;23
Tayler Clifton
A 45 on each side, I should say, and bench it, I might get like eight reps.

00;31;07;09 – 00;31;07;18
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

00;31;08;02 – 00;31;11;03
Tayler Clifton
Well it’s, it’s, it’s embarrassing. It’s horrible.

00;31;11;14 – 00;31;33;29
Jon Mayo
It’s interesting because like your strength is you have very dynamic like raw, strong man, self strength like I can see from from fighting you. I can imagine that like picking up heavy bags, like doing stand back lifts, Atlas Stone lifts, those types of things you’d be right at home with. Yeah. Versus barbell movements that are a lot more almost clinical in nature.

00;31;34;12 – 00;31;53;03
Jon Mayo
And that’s one of the things that as I continue training, I only care about a couple of compound lifts and those are deadlifts squats, weighted lunges. Yeah, those are the only three lifts I care deeply about. And then ring dips. I have a couple heavy bags out there. I’m leaving a lot more going heavy on the heavy punching bag and kicking bag.

00;31;53;03 – 00;32;13;16
Jon Mayo
Those types of things are really where I’m putting my focus and just like I don’t need to do a very clinical movement ever when I’m fighting, right? It’s not going to happen. But I need to beat like the ability to pick up £130 plus put on my shoulder and walk a third of a mile. Right? That’s helping with all the stabilizers.

00;32;13;17 – 00;32;16;01
Tayler Clifton
Well, and if it’s you know, if you’re not picking up a.

00;32;16;15 – 00;32;16;24
Jon Mayo
A.

00;32;17;02 – 00;32;37;11
Tayler Clifton
Barbell, that’s, you know, completely even on both sides, when you pick up people and grappling were not symmetrical even even though we might look symmetrical, you know, if you were to split us in half vertically, it’s not it’s not the same weight on both sides. And when they’re applying strength against you, it’s not even close.

00;32;37;12 – 00;33;05;13
Jon Mayo
No, not at all. And like you shift the muscle and you’ve just thrown the whole bounce off so I have the bags out there, the heavy rope and a bunch of other things that I’m using. Those three movements I mentioned just to build that that ability to fire those muscles and build that level of strength through that. But then the rest is like, okay, let’s throw this bag over my shoulder to lift these things and just get really comfortable moving well over £100 in different ways, carrying and movements.

00;33;05;13 – 00;33;09;16
Jon Mayo
And I think that’s going to yield pretty well. But yeah, I’m coming for you. Like.

00;33;09;25 – 00;33;14;10
Tayler Clifton
Well, I’ll start throwing that. I have £100 heavy bag in the basement, so why not start throwing that around a little bit?

00;33;14;20 – 00;33;31;03
Jon Mayo
The reason I say it is because I want I was thinking about this as I was lifting the other day. I was going to throw a message to you and Joe said, Go be more fun in person. So I’m going to do this to Joe, too. But it’s like we’re all strong guys. But I’m like in a very consistent level of training right now.

00;33;31;03 – 00;33;39;25
Jon Mayo
Yeah. So I was like, okay, I know where you’re starting me and what areas I know where he is. So it’s like, All right, if I just am quiet, I’ll end up.

00;33;40;02 – 00;33;42;00
Tayler Clifton
Build your niche in the shadows.

00;33;42;05 – 00;33;48;06
Jon Mayo
Well, yeah, If I just build in the shadows, they’ll going to be there at one point. Big day. It. I can’t. I’m not stronger than you in this anymore.

00;33;48;06 – 00;33;50;14
Tayler Clifton
I can’t pick up John when he triangles me anymore.

00;33;50;14 – 00;34;08;08
Jon Mayo
And I realized like that was really exactly. And I was like, that’s really tantalizing. Like, almost enough to be quiet and keep doing it. But then I was like, But then what benefit will that give me? Right? So I was like, If I throw the glove and have fun, I know I’m going to light a fire, right? And then I’m going to have to fight to climb the hill.

00;34;08;10 – 00;34;10;02
Jon Mayo
Well, shit, exactly.

00;34;10;02 – 00;34;16;09
Tayler Clifton
Now I’m going to have to start doing something. I was literally thinking about it this morning. I was like, I should probably go to the gym.

00;34;16;16 – 00;34;20;09
Jon Mayo
Did your intuition was on because I’m hunting you?

00;34;20;09 – 00;34;22;17
Tayler Clifton
And then I went and played Granturismo all morning.

00;34;24;01 – 00;34;26;21
Jon Mayo
Perfect. Keep doing that. Hey, I’m here for it.

00;34;27;02 – 00;34;29;20
Tayler Clifton
Hey, man, if we ever race though.

00;34;29;20 – 00;34;35;08
Jon Mayo
You have proven back in the realm of digital racing that you’re superior.

00;34;36;24 – 00;34;55;10
Tayler Clifton
What’s funny is I’m not I wouldn’t even I would say I’m like a little above average in my group that I’ve been a race with, but I’m not even close to the top. It’s fun to see levels to different. I don’t want to say games because that implies just video games in this context, but there’s there’s levels to different skills that people have.

00;34;55;10 – 00;34;56;07
Jon Mayo
Oh my gosh. Yeah.

00;34;56;15 – 00;35;03;18
Tayler Clifton
Like, like watching Chad roll. I mean, I’m sure I could be like I could go full blast against Chad and.

00;35;04;10 – 00;35;04;24
Jon Mayo
I think I could.

00;35;04;24 – 00;35;16;01
Tayler Clifton
Get a submission if he was a little lazy. But he would have to be going like 15%, like it would be a totally different. And then if Chad were to turn it on and be like, okay.

00;35;16;19 – 00;35;17;13
Jon Mayo
Yeah, let’s let’s.

00;35;17;13 – 00;35;24;13
Tayler Clifton
See, let’s see what you can handle at this percentage. And I just you would see that level that he just kicks it up. Yeah.

00;35;24;24 – 00;35;41;08
Jon Mayo
Yeah. No, absolutely. It’s hard to even tell because there have been moments where I’m like, okay, I have him trapped just right in. Like when I’m talking about this. To be very clear, it’s like there’s a three second window before he finds out, but it’s like I have just like I have side control and just the right way.

00;35;41;08 – 00;35;56;03
Jon Mayo
He can’t flow out yet, right, because of the waist. So any movement, it will give him a path to escape. Right. But if from here I can probably crank this arm and then I lift up pressure or something and I lose it, you know? So yeah, he’s a he’s a fun guy to fight.

00;35;56;04 – 00;36;14;12
Tayler Clifton
It’s so much fun to go against him. Wednesday was fantastic. I got we because we were hunting toast, you know, like locks and stuff. We were both being pretty, pretty quick to tap, but I actually got I got a toehold on him. And I, you know, the one I told you, I made him invert. I actually got him to tap on it.

00;36;14;12 – 00;36;26;07
Tayler Clifton
And we again, we were going we were not pushing, trying to hurt each other’s lives at all. So I don’t want to take pride in it. But also I was like, I think that was the first time I got Chad to tap.

00;36;27;18 – 00;36;45;20
Jon Mayo
Yes. So it’s a good feeling when it happens. I got him probably in the ten months now him and I’ve been fighting consistently. I think I’ve earned a submission like three times. And each time he gets so upset, he kicks.

00;36;45;20 – 00;36;45;28
Tayler Clifton
It up.

00;36;46;04 – 00;37;03;28
Jon Mayo
Dude. Yeah, he doesn’t. He doesn’t. They’re a fit or have a bad attitude or anything, but it just I can see the spark. And as I as he was a little bit lax and I got it’s like I’ve never gotten one of those like soul taking tap him You have always kind of been gotcha You know where he just was a little bit relaxed and then got to.

00;37;04;01 – 00;37;10;13
Tayler Clifton
I think that’s kind of what happened with me too. And then and then throw in the variable of us being, you know, easy on our legs.

00;37;10;16 – 00;37;14;16
Jon Mayo
Yeah, it’s like you get those. But then he’s like, well, that’s only when you’re getting that.

00;37;14;16 – 00;37;20;27
Tayler Clifton
See that’s, that’s it. But yeah, and I’m sure if he listens to this I’m, I’m screwed the next time he sees me.

00;37;21;12 – 00;37;33;02
Jon Mayo
100%. And that’s kind of what I’m stoking the fire for to like. Yeah, come at me, man. I love it. I have a weird sense of humor, and I, you know, I’m glad to put some positive thoughts out there for him and for our gym. And I love our community.

00;37;33;02 – 00;37;34;03
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I do, too.

00;37;34;03 – 00;37;39;07
Jon Mayo
And think you’re either going to be on the energy bass, right? Or you’re not.

00;37;39;07 – 00;38;02;10
Tayler Clifton
And I love to these call outs that people want to do. And they’re like, hey, you know, we’re going to do this competition that has flow state and everyone’s throwing in, everyone’s throwing up their registration on their Instagram story. So I was like, I’ll, I’ll hop on this bus. And then I, I went in and I was scrolling through registrations and I got to mine and then there was like another, another class below, and there was like one incomplete registration.

00;38;02;10 – 00;38;10;27
Tayler Clifton
And then it was Chad. So I was like, Oh, I can get both of us in the same picture in a screenshot of it and posted with both of us on there. I was like, We’re going to go take some next on in October.

00;38;10;29 – 00;38;11;13
Jon Mayo
Yeah, yeah.

00;38;11;20 – 00;38;12;12
Tayler Clifton
It’s going to be fun.

00;38;12;26 – 00;38;23;09
Jon Mayo
That everything that’s gone down was almost enough to get me to sign up for a competition almost. And I was like, I know your niche, man. You know what you’re here to do right now. And I exercise this one.

00;38;23;16 – 00;38;26;00
Tayler Clifton
I love your niece. It makes. It makes me so happy.

00;38;26;03 – 00;38;27;16
Jon Mayo
What does it look like from your end?

00;38;28;12 – 00;38;51;05
Tayler Clifton
Just one of the best training partners you can ask for. I because, I mean, I think we talked about this in round one of this podcast, but you’re. You’re the guy lurking in the shadows, making everyone else better. And I think that’s fantastic. I was watching some of the some of the build up to 86 watching like John Donahue’s Instagram and Gordon Ryan’s Instagram, and they had.

00;38;51;05 – 00;38;51;18
Jon Mayo
A.

00;38;52;24 – 00;39;09;22
Tayler Clifton
I think he was a judo. He’s like some I think he’s a judo champ of some sort. I don’t I don’t know much about judo, but he was in there with Gordon, helping Gordon with his standing game, like Gordon needs help with stuff. But yeah, having a good training partner that’s just kind of in the shadows a little bit.

00;39;09;22 – 00;39;12;10
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, that was like, that’s. That’s fantastic.

00;39;12;26 – 00;39;39;04
Jon Mayo
Yeah, I love it, man. And I don’t think I’ve ever stated it, so I just curious what your take on it. But my goal when it comes to fighting is really strongly on the personal level, just to be as capable as possible to defend my family, my friends. Right. And those who are in need of defense. So like not rolling the dice in a situation, but having a calculated understanding of how the situation is going to play out and to the point where it gets as brutal as I need to do.

00;39;39;05 – 00;40;03;17
Jon Mayo
Right. So like that, that’s what I love about the sport. Yeah, right. Just kind of honing yourself to go to war has always been something very attractive to me in service it out. So I love that. But then when it comes to training partners in the gym and we have a lot of competitors and I may get talked into doing like a sub only some day, but I’m just I love the niche of whoever is going to compete.

00;40;04;15 – 00;40;16;20
Jon Mayo
You want to get ready and make that seem easy. Come fight me. Yeah, and I’ll fight you until you can’t imagine something being worse in your life. Right? And that’s my goal.

00;40;16;27 – 00;40;20;07
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I know. I love it. I want. It’s just funny when you say it like that.

00;40;20;14 – 00;40;25;28
Jon Mayo
It is. It’s like I want to make your competition seem like a dream compared to whatever.

00;40;26;04 – 00;40;29;12
Tayler Clifton
I want to make your life now a living hell. So your competition is easy.

00;40;29;12 – 00;40;53;02
Jon Mayo
Speaking of which, thank you so much for being willing to give me the beautiful gift tomorrow morning that I asked for. Yeah. So I asked you and Joe to because no one else want to talk about him. Yeah. To give me a gift of 30 minutes straight. Just like Shark Tank dragged me deep into the depths of hell where every 2 minutes to keep you guys optimally fresh.

00;40;53;14 – 00;40;58;11
Jon Mayo
Fresh? You’re doing hot swaps, right? Yeah. So just know.

00;40;58;13 – 00;40;59;19
Tayler Clifton
Wherever you are.

00;41;00;05 – 00;41;03;19
Jon Mayo
Yeah, Wherever I am, you grab the most advantageous position possible.

00;41;03;19 – 00;41;08;21
Tayler Clifton
I can’t wait for Joe to pull guard on you, and you try to smash him, because then he’s going to just slip out of that and they get to take you back.

00;41;08;21 – 00;41;24;29
Jon Mayo
I know. And what I was thinking about is if I did have a dominant position at any point in the 15 transitions that happened tomorrow, I’m losing my back the second the 2 minutes is and you’re just going to one of you is going to jump on that. Yeah. So it’s like, I can’t think of a better way to end this decade and start a new one.

00;41;25;10 – 00;41;29;08
Jon Mayo
And what a cool way to just go deep, man. Yeah, that’s.

00;41;29;08 – 00;41;29;28
Tayler Clifton
Fantastic.

00;41;29;29 – 00;41;30;28
Jon Mayo
It’s going to be brutal.

00;41;30;28 – 00;41;38;10
Tayler Clifton
It’s going to be so fun. It’s going to be rough for us, too. I mean, that’s 15 minutes for both of us. That’s that’s rough for me.

00;41;38;10 – 00;41;49;07
Jon Mayo
The I don’t care if I threw up off a bucket. I don’t care what happens to me at all. My my goals for success are to not break at all. You know, take a break and to not later.

00;41;49;20 – 00;41;49;29
Tayler Clifton
I like.

00;41;49;29 – 00;41;55;11
Jon Mayo
It. So for the entire 30 minutes, I want to be challenging both of you on some level.

00;41;55;14 – 00;42;06;02
Tayler Clifton
Well, the thing about that is like if you if you think about 30 minutes, 30 minutes is doable in jujitsu, you watch a lot of these sub only ones with no time limit and it’s 30, 40 minutes.

00;42;06;02 – 00;42;07;29
Jon Mayo
We’ve done our plus ones, right.

00;42;08;23 – 00;42;14;06
Tayler Clifton
But when you have people cycling in and 2 minutes sprints for 30 minutes, that’s going to be totally different. And I love it.

00;42;14;12 – 00;42;41;22
Jon Mayo
And I can’t wait to see what it’s like. Yeah, I was thinking about I kind of want to record it probably, and I’d like to get two recordings, one just straight recording it and then one in time lapse. Yeah, And that way, because there’s going to be so many good nuggets in there to learn right from. So I think on mine on record in the the 30 minute straight because I have the memory for it and then I’ll ask you or Joe to record a time lapse so that we can kind of have fun with it.

00;42;41;22 – 00;42;52;05
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I like it. Excuse me. No, that’s perfect. That’ll be fun. And that’ll help. That’ll help me, too. I mean, I think I think next week I’m going to request the same thing.

00;42;52;11 – 00;42;52;27
Jon Mayo
Any time.

00;42;53;00 – 00;43;04;16
Tayler Clifton
Just so that I can. I don’t have a lot to cut for that big football, but I do a little bit of weight to lose for it. I’m at about 225 right now. Okay. And I signed up for the 221 class.

00;43;04;16 – 00;43;08;27
Jon Mayo
So dude, you’ve done a beautiful job of cleaning up it.

00;43;08;29 – 00;43;32;26
Tayler Clifton
I feel so much better. Like even just like sitting at home, I just feel like I used to just not even a covering up because I feel big, but just like I didn’t have the confidence to just walk around, whatever. And now I’m just at home and just shorts just hanging out and it’s, it’s I just feel so much better.

00;43;33;07 – 00;43;51;27
Tayler Clifton
I’m not even I feel like with my shirt off, it’s noticeable, but it’s not, you know, I don’t have abs. I don’t I’m not, you know, have striations in my chest and whatnot. But I just feel so much better. And so I’ve been like this morning I woke up, I had 10 minutes of work to do.

00;43;52;03 – 00;43;52;11
Jon Mayo
Mm.

00;43;52;26 – 00;44;10;01
Tayler Clifton
Didn’t bother throwing a shirt on, went sat in my room, finished up my work, sent stuff out and sat down on my rig. I don’t remember the last, I don’t think I’ve ever sat in my racing rig without a shirt on. So I realized that this morning I was like, it’s a good it’s a good confidence boost to have.

00;44;10;01 – 00;44;11;08
Tayler Clifton
And it’s and it’s really more of.

00;44;11;08 – 00;44;11;14
Jon Mayo
A.

00;44;12;18 – 00;44;34;10
Tayler Clifton
Another boost in the determination to keep losing weight because I’m I think I told you I’m aiming for about 215 to kind of sit out and I think it’s a it’s a good boost to to get there and then start with with the now with the advent of strength training coming back to 15, it’s going to look real good.

00;44;35;13 – 00;44;51;07
Jon Mayo
What’s great too, is if with you strength training, muscle burns a lot more calories, right. And you’re you’re already pretty jacked so you start adding some of those focus multi yeah. Muscle group movements compound goodness I.

00;44;51;07 – 00;44;52;08
Tayler Clifton
Was like yeah what’s the word?

00;44;52;24 – 00;44;58;26
Jon Mayo
Compound movements? And your body’s just going to suck that up and burn off more and it’s going to be beautiful. Yeah.

00;44;58;28 – 00;45;16;04
Tayler Clifton
And it’s not going to be like isolated. Today’s Arm Day. Today’s like day. I’ll probably only do it like two days a week. Um, just to kind of allow more jujitsu and lifting, because that’s really the goal. Yeah, but it’s going to be a lot of.

00;45;16;24 – 00;45;18;25
Jon Mayo
Multiple more like.

00;45;19;03 – 00;45;25;19
Tayler Clifton
Like you said, compound movements. It’s going to be, you know, those big heavy routine, those Bulgarian bags that people kind of throw around.

00;45;25;28 – 00;45;26;21
Jon Mayo
Yeah, I have one.

00;45;26;27 – 00;45;28;11
Tayler Clifton
I probably get one of those.

00;45;28;11 – 00;45;40;26
Jon Mayo
Dude, they’re fun. Yeah. Oh, you are. And you? I have a brute force bag with all the handles, which is a modification of Bulgarian. I have a Bulgarian back in there. I’ll send you a try. Yeah, if you want to borrow it.

00;45;41;06 – 00;45;41;15
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I.

00;45;41;15 – 00;45;46;00
Jon Mayo
Might. So you know what size you want to get? Yeah, because I made that 110 years ago.

00;45;46;02 – 00;45;46;16
Tayler Clifton
Nice.

00;45;46;21 – 00;45;55;15
Jon Mayo
And it’s still working. Great. I think it’s around £60. Okay, so you can four on a fit, see what you want. Yeah. And then I’ll give you a good gauge of what size you want to invest in.

00;45;56;05 – 00;46;14;08
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I need it. I need to invest in some stuff to do at home. As much as I like doing stuff at the gym, you kind of look like an idiot when you’re practicing snap down stuff like wrestling. You know, you get resistance bands and you’re throwing them down. People are looking at you like, What are you doing?

00;46;15;26 – 00;46;19;13
Tayler Clifton
And it’s it’s I’m going to go for functional training for sure.

00;46;19;13 – 00;46;19;24
Jon Mayo
That’s it.

00;46;19;25 – 00;46;23;16
Tayler Clifton
And like just jujitsu based movements.

00;46;24;18 – 00;46;43;23
Jon Mayo
I yeah, I’m, I’m not quite that specific in my functional training, but it’s definitely functional based on the holistic lifestyle I want. And that’s one of the reasons I’ve been building a gym for so long, is I want to be able to walk into it, do anything I want, and walk out a lot of it, and you’re welcome to use it anytime you like.

00;46;43;23 – 00;46;48;09
Jon Mayo
I don’t have to be here, you know. You know where it is. Yeah. So if you want anything there.

00;46;48;10 – 00;46;48;26
Tayler Clifton
Thanks.

00;46;48;26 – 00;46;53;18
Jon Mayo
It’s open court. Open to you. It’s a locked in the dogs. No, you. That’s the security system.

00;46;53;18 – 00;46;54;23
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, that’s the good thing.

00;46;54;23 – 00;46;56;05
Jon Mayo
Most people would have to shoot them. Yeah.

00;46;57;19 – 00;47;03;12
Tayler Clifton
A couple of times. Yeah. They’re not small. No, dude, they’re not my dogs. You might just have to kick them aside a little bit.

00;47;03;18 – 00;47;07;00
Jon Mayo
Which is sad. Even. Think about how is the puppy dude?

00;47;07;00 – 00;47;08;22
Tayler Clifton
He’s great. He’s.

00;47;09;01 – 00;47;12;10
Jon Mayo
He’s a little bit of a little shit.

00;47;12;10 – 00;47;37;13
Tayler Clifton
So, Bruce, Bruce does not bark. Bruce might bark once a day. Like one bark a day. Not even just a spat of barking. Bentley has had like six different spats of nonstop barking at Bruce today alone. And that’s just that Bruce So he’s. He’s a barker. Daisy and I are trying to figure out if he’s still I mean, he’s a baby.

00;47;37;21 – 00;47;56;10
Tayler Clifton
He’s still a baby baby, for sure. But we’re trying to figure out if it’s just him being a baby or if he’s just a little bit dumb because like, we had Bruce for a day and a half and Bruce, you know, we would say Bruce. And he was like, what if look up at you, Bentley We will nonstop call his name and he’s.

00;47;57;06 – 00;47;59;07
Jon Mayo
Duty to do ticking and.

00;47;59;23 – 00;48;20;21
Tayler Clifton
He’s not connecting anything. We’ll throw a ball for him. He’ll see us throw it, you’ll see it go. And then he’s like, I was playing with that. Now it’s over there. What am I supposed to do? So he’s. He’s not. We’re trying to figure out if it’s just because he’s still a baby. Baby. Because I think he’s either nine or ten weeks this week.

00;48;20;23 – 00;48;21;10
Jon Mayo
Oh, wow.

00;48;21;15 – 00;48;22;23
Tayler Clifton
He’s still baby, baby.

00;48;22;23 – 00;48;24;00
Jon Mayo
So you got him just as the Wyndham.

00;48;24;05 – 00;48;32;23
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. And so we’re trying to figure out if it’s still he’s just a baby or if he might actually be a little bit dumb at.

00;48;32;23 – 00;48;35;17
Jon Mayo
I think it’s a good chance he is. You’re so young. Yes.

00;48;36;13 – 00;48;37;27
Tayler Clifton
That’s that’s what I’m thinking.

00;48;38;01 – 00;48;49;01
Jon Mayo
But we’ll see. I grew up half my family breeds dogs, and they’re just little air headed footballs until, like, three months.

00;48;49;08 – 00;48;49;17
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

00;48;50;12 – 00;49;15;05
Jon Mayo
Lady does the same thing to Domino. She just wore. Go over the freaking rails, barking at him and did stupid crap. And it makes me angry because she’s not. She gets excited to the point that her brain stops working. She’ll jump on anyone. Oh, and like, that’s the you don’t want attention, you know? So she’s learning very quickly how unacceptable it is.

00;49;15;15 – 00;49;28;01
Jon Mayo
That’s good. And you can just see, like in her eyes when she’s about to lose control a little bit and be too much of a puppy, he can just kind of go like, yeah, oh, snap her back out of it. So I’m good. Yeah, you know.

00;49;28;16 – 00;49;28;29
Tayler Clifton
That’s good.

00;49;28;29 – 00;49;36;00
Jon Mayo
But she’s already probably 75, £80 and she’s seven months old and three months old, so she’ll probably get around 20, I think when.

00;49;36;25 – 00;49;48;22
Tayler Clifton
When we started rolling, I remember she was still fairly new to you guys, like when we were rolling out here at your place. I think Bruce is like, a month older than her.

00;49;48;23 – 00;49;49;02
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

00;49;49;19 – 00;50;13;12
Tayler Clifton
And the size difference, I mean, I know they’re completely different breeds, but just the size difference is ridiculous. You said she’s, like, £80 and Bruce is 13. And then. And then I think about the difference from Bruce to Bentley. Bentley is £10 smaller than Bruce. Like in the short amount of time that we’ve had. Bruce, he’s not even a year old yet.

00;50;13;12 – 00;50;32;16
Tayler Clifton
He’s already that much bigger than a baby. So it’s, it’s and it’s fun seeing how good he is with the with Bentley. That’s fun. They’ll play. And, you know, honestly, Bruce is the only one that yelps if something happens and it’s usually Bentley sharp teeth getting stuck in his in his ear or is lip or something.

00;50;32;19 – 00;50;38;28
Jon Mayo
Yeah and they’re mini toxins for those who don’t know Yeah yeah. Mini weenies many wings do. They’re cool dogs. I like yours.

00;50;38;28 – 00;50;39;16
Tayler Clifton
I love them.

00;50;39;24 – 00;50;51;10
Jon Mayo
I, I don’t like when dogs bark a lot. I can put up with that help train with it and stuff. But man, typically I found you can break them of it if you’re really insistent.

00;50;51;18 – 00;51;03;28
Tayler Clifton
I feel like we didn’t. There’s a lot of I haven’t seen like a lot of docs and videos on Instagram because I see, you know, it’s the same hall. You see one and you like it and it’s like Instagram decides to flood your feed with them.

00;51;04;02 – 00;51;04;09
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

00;51;05;00 – 00;51;26;11
Tayler Clifton
And but I see a lot of them of people trying to like break toxins of running out the door when the door opens. And I was like, Bruce has never done that. Bruce goes on, he you can leave the door open. He’ll go sit right inside the door, you know, and you can even be outside. Daisy will go outside and like water plants and stuff.

00;51;26;23 – 00;51;46;26
Tayler Clifton
And the front door, not not the back, the the sliding back door because that he goes in and out all day, but the front door, he’ll go sit just before the ledge to get outside and he’ll sit there and watch you do stuff out there and he won’t go out there by himself. So that’s good. I think we’re going to have to break Bentley of doing that, though.

00;51;46;26 – 00;51;48;11
Tayler Clifton
He’ll definitely make a run for it.

00;51;48;27 – 00;52;10;29
Jon Mayo
Yeah, we are all products of the environment’s an intentional actions that we tolerate, right. So it’s one of the things I’ve had to do with our dogs is re-implement the rule that they don’t come through the door without permission. So they have to sit out the door outside the door before I let them in the house and vice versa.

00;52;11;04 – 00;52;19;00
Jon Mayo
I’ll make them sit. I open the door, make them wait until I’m ready. Then I’ll say, okay, same with food. I make them sit. I’ll put the food down. I make them wait.

00;52;19;09 – 00;52;20;20
Tayler Clifton
Until I see. Okay, that’s good.

00;52;20;20 – 00;52;42;01
Jon Mayo
Those two habits, like those two disciplines I’ve found, make up enough of my. Frankly, it’s really the only training I do because that’s the amount of time I’m willing to commit. And in that they learn to come, they learn to kind of heel to stay. Yeah, and it’s kind of the primary functions you want them to know to be behaved.

00;52;42;17 – 00;53;04;14
Tayler Clifton
So yeah, that’s good. It’s working with Bruce the he’s he hasn’t been very driven so far. He’s becoming more sober because I think he’s realizing this little guy will eat my food if I don’t eat it. And now he’s enjoying food more so he’ll come. And he never really begged all that much while Daisy and I are sitting there eating dinner.

00;53;05;14 – 00;53;22;10
Tayler Clifton
And now he doesn’t miss a beat like he he is by Daisy side as she’s cooking dinner and he’s waiting for something and he doesn’t sit there and make a bunch of noise, which is good. But he, he sits there, he’s, he’s close by waiting for something to fall. And then while we’re eating dinner, he’s. He’s looking up a daisy.

00;53;22;10 – 00;53;45;26
Tayler Clifton
And that’s when I think he realizes, okay, everyone’s eaten now why am I not eating? So he kind of jumps up and is like, Give me a bit. But I was trying to stay away from handing him table scraps because date. So Daisy’s other dog, Beamer, who still lives with her mom, is one of the most food driven dogs I’ve ever seen.

00;53;45;26 – 00;54;00;28
Tayler Clifton
And he growls at you if he doesn’t get table scraps like that, he’s again, he’s a mini weenie. He’s not big, he’s not scary. But I yell at him, I I’ll if he does it to me, I’m like, Hey, knock it off. What if he does it to Daisy? I’m like, You don’t yell your mom.

00;54;00;28 – 00;54;01;09
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

00;54;01;20 – 00;54;19;12
Tayler Clifton
And he’s like, Oh. So then he turns to me. He’s like, You’ll give me food, right? Yeah. And then eventually I’ll give him something. But with Bruce, I was trying to avoid that, so I wasn’t giving him food for my plate. And then I was, you know, maybe save a piece or two and hand it to him later by his bowl.

00;54;20;20 – 00;54;28;10
Tayler Clifton
But then Daisy was like, Wow, he’s big enough now. He’ll start handing them little chicken scraps and beef. And I was like, Oh, well, forget everything I did. Like.

00;54;28;18 – 00;54;30;18
Jon Mayo
Yeah, all the training gone.

00;54;30;28 – 00;54;48;14
Tayler Clifton
He’s, he’s now in and yeah, he sits by the table and waits for food. Now that’s fine. But it’s cute because he sits there and he’s got a cute, he’s got the puppy all guys and it’s like, Oh, you kill baby. Daisy will get up and she’ll be done. She’ll go put her plate in the sink and she’ll come sit back down while I finish eating.

00;54;49;02 – 00;54;50;11
Tayler Clifton
And he’ll still stare at her.

00;54;50;21 – 00;54;51;06
Jon Mayo
Because he knows.

00;54;51;06 – 00;54;52;23
Tayler Clifton
Because he knows that I’m not giving him anything.

00;54;53;05 – 00;55;17;07
Jon Mayo
It’s amazing the things you can get away with, with different test animals, right? So I have all mastiff type breeds. So my smallest dogs at 105 and the, you know, aside from the puppy mature outpace him. So it’s like I’m used to dogs that can do some of the ones I’ve had grab things off the top of the refrigerator right.

00;55;17;15 – 00;55;21;10
Jon Mayo
Like we’ve had to rehome some of them or lost them to a truck or things like that.

00;55;21;10 – 00;55;22;06
Tayler Clifton
Oh Jesus.

00;55;22;07 – 00;55;43;07
Jon Mayo
Yeah. But the ones I have right now, I mean, they can rest their head on their table, you know? So it’s like, you know, if you do that, they will be sitting at the table eating off your plate, you know? So it’s like they don’t get that luxury at all. Yeah, but with the mini weenie. Yeah. What are they going to do, jump up and be at the level with your seat?

00;55;43;07 – 00;55;51;04
Tayler Clifton
He would have to jump. He would have to jump onto one of the other chairs that we’re not sitting at and then jump under the table. And I think he knows that that’s a no go.

00;55;51;05 – 00;55;51;14
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

00;55;51;28 – 00;56;11;06
Tayler Clifton
But Beamer, on the other hand. Well so when we lived with Daisy’s parents, they, they had like an island in their kitchen and that was pretty much where dinner was every night. We never really used the dining room. Beamer would stand over, so there was the sink on one side, and then we all sat across from it. On the other side.

00;56;11;22 – 00;56;24;23
Tayler Clifton
Beamer would be over by the sink and he would jump up and all you saw was his little head go above the above the countertop. And he had the biggest smile on his face and his ears were flying up in the air and he was like, I want food.

00;56;25;02 – 00;56;25;13
Jon Mayo
I want.

00;56;25;13 – 00;56;39;24
Tayler Clifton
Food. As he’s jumping, he’s my little I all my little fat boy. I’m a little chunky monkey. Yeah, he’s really not that fat. He’s just he’s a he’s a big boy. He’s a big many mini and he’s about £18.

00;56;40;10 – 00;56;43;26
Jon Mayo
That’s like 50% bigger than Bruce. Bruce. Yeah.

00;56;43;27 – 00;56;55;17
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. He’s. He’s substantially larger than Bruce. He’s a little bit longer. But like, he’s got a bigger chest, he’s got wider shoulders. He does have more of a belly, but he’s not, he’s not fat, he’s just bigger.

00;56;55;27 – 00;56;56;24
Jon Mayo
Yeah, you know.

00;56;56;24 – 00;56;58;10
Tayler Clifton
He’s like all old Chunky Monkey.

00;56;58;15 – 00;57;00;20
Jon Mayo
There you go. I love animals.

00;57;00;20 – 00;57;01;12
Tayler Clifton
So true.

00;57;02;00 – 00;57;13;27
Jon Mayo
They’re they’re. They definitely make life sweeter, right? So you are going to the game tomorrow? Yeah. Which one’s that?

00;57;14;01 – 00;57;14;28
Tayler Clifton
Air Force Navy.

00;57;15;23 – 00;57;20;29
Jon Mayo
That’s right. That’s here. Yes. Seth. And is taking Jeremiah to Mark’s as well.

00;57;20;29 – 00;57;42;11
Tayler Clifton
Oh, really? That’s awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I won tickets from work, so it was like a raffle. They’re like, Hey, we’ve got four tickets. Send in an email, you know, reply to this email with how many tickets you want. And then eight. They were like, We’ll let you know as soon as we can. Where as soon as the Raffles Nut and Daisy asked me, I think it was Monday or Tuesday, she was like, Do you think we’re going to win?

00;57;42;11 – 00;57;44;02
Tayler Clifton
I was like, I feel like I would have heard something by now.

00;57;44;13 – 00;57;46;07
Jon Mayo
Probably not.

00;57;46;07 – 00;57;48;03
Tayler Clifton
And then yesterday I got the email. I was like.

00;57;48;26 – 00;57;49;06
Jon Mayo
Oh.

00;57;49;24 – 00;58;09;01
Tayler Clifton
I guess I won the tickets. I guess our plans for Saturday are changed a little bit because we had like gone around the fact that we hadn’t won. Yeah. And then, and, and she, we were going to do something with her brother and then she was like, well no, we’re going to the game you want. I was like, I can tell them to take the tickets back.

00;58;09;01 – 00;58;35;21
Tayler Clifton
And they’re like, No, we’re going and it’ll be fine. Because I’ve never been to one of the rivalry games that Air Force has. I’ve been to their games before against like New Mexico and just other teams of of their conference but never won of the armed forces games. And that’s going to be because you know they bring out all the cool flyovers and all the fun stuff they actually posted something or I got notification from ESPN on my phone.

00;58;35;21 – 00;58;43;24
Tayler Clifton
It was like the top five coolest special jerseys this weekend. And number one was Air Force One and a Space Force jersey. And I was like, Yes, that’s awesome.

00;58;44;06 – 00;58;50;12
Jon Mayo
That’s cool. I wonder if I wonder if Space Force is going to set up an academy and join in the games.

00;58;50;23 – 00;58;56;11
Tayler Clifton
That would be cool. I kind of have a bracket style Commander in Chief trophy.

00;58;56;20 – 00;58;56;29
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

00;58;57;18 – 00;59;05;29
Tayler Clifton
Instead of the round robin that they currently have. But I think if they were, I think it would probably be Marines before Space Force got their own academy.

00;59;06;17 – 00;59;08;18
Jon Mayo
Yes, I think that’d be very appropriate.

00;59;08;20 – 00;59;08;29
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

00;59;09;10 – 00;59;12;10
Jon Mayo
God, can you imagine a marine based football team?

00;59;12;10 – 00;59;13;03
Tayler Clifton
Oh, Jesus.

00;59;13;03 – 00;59;14;28
Jon Mayo
It’d be a beautiful, beautiful thing.

00;59;16;14 – 00;59;17;18
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, that would be scary.

00;59;17;25 – 00;59;29;05
Jon Mayo
Yeah. My partner was a West Point grad. Okay, Nice universal learning approach. Yeah, Yeah. In our business, everything that’s going on there. So it’s a big deal. I don’t follow sports very much.

00;59;29;20 – 00;59;31;21
Tayler Clifton
Oh, no, I don’t. I mean, I follow racing.

00;59;32;04 – 00;59;49;25
Jon Mayo
But you follow. I’m learning more about combat sports as far as like a enjoying watching them as well. But aside from that, pretty ignorant to what the guns going ons are and who’s buying what when I always know when West Point is playing, especially a rivalry with any of the other armed forces because of him, let me know.

00;59;49;27 – 00;59;50;06
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

00;59;50;21 – 00;59;51;22
Tayler Clifton
He’s always talking smack.

00;59;51;25 – 01;00;02;12
Jon Mayo
Yeah, he’s talking smack, which is exactly what he should be doing. Right. Fun. Yeah. So I am excited. I gear my really enjoys watching the sport, so I’m excited that he could score.

01;00;02;13 – 01;00;23;10
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, that’s awesome. That’s fantastic. I, I used to love football like, a lot of high school was centered around football. Football and wrestling. And during the four months of the year that it was football, it was like hyper focus on everything. Football. I was watching college games, I was watching pro games all week and, and then I graduated high school.

01;00;24;01 – 01;00;44;26
Tayler Clifton
And then I think my freshman year of college probably watched four or five games total the whole year. And then I’m have maybe watched 10 minutes of football since then. I had I don’t have the same love for it, and I think some of it was because I was trying to I was hanging out with a lot of football people.

01;00;45;20 – 01;01;13;15
Tayler Clifton
So then you focus on a lot of football things outside of football or outside of like practice and stuff. And, you know, you get together and you watch football games together. So like a bunch of my life was centered around football and then it was like I enjoyed playing it, but I really enjoyed more being with my close friends, doing a sport similar to what we’re doing now, being with close friends, doing jiu jitsu, doing stuff we love.

01;01;13;15 – 01;01;15;01
Tayler Clifton
And it’s it’s great.

01;01;15;26 – 01;01;35;08
Jon Mayo
You know, what I love about it? And one of the reasons I encourage the kids so heavily into this and I’m not opposed to wrestling at all either. I know Lyndsay was laying some fun conversations with you as far as getting the kids into wrestling and I think that’s great. But what I love about is they can do it for most of their life, right?

01;01;35;20 – 01;01;53;03
Jon Mayo
So when you’re done with high school, college, maybe college, maybe something else, if you’re one of the few, you’re going to be done playing football. Right? Right. But you start wrestling and doing jujitsu at a young age. You can do that as long as you want. I mean, we know people in their sixties that are still fighting. Yeah.

01;01;53;09 – 01;02;13;20
Jon Mayo
So it’s like it’s one of these things and the type of I love the community, specifically the type of people that are drawn to that typically, you know, like your, your standard deviation of folks are pretty much salt of the earth. Good people. Right? And I think it’s hard to have a lot of pride, though. We’ve seen displays of it in ugly ways.

01;02;13;26 – 01;02;31;24
Jon Mayo
I think generally it’s hard to have a bunch of hubris when you have nothing to hide behind and you’re constantly seeing genuinely where you are. Yeah, you know, yeah, you can feel a certain way and that will just dissipate in front of you in moments. So. But that’s healthy, right?

01;02;31;25 – 01;02;32;14
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it is.

01;02;32;28 – 01;02;40;22
Jon Mayo
And I, I always enjoy it, you know, when I’m feeling high and I have about dates I go get, I need that and sometimes I’ll feel alone and have a great day like oh cool. Yeah.

01;02;40;22 – 01;02;41;16
Tayler Clifton
Hopeful too. Yeah.

01;02;41;22 – 01;02;48;00
Jon Mayo
So it’s like emotions really relevant as well in that church. Yeah. Which I love. Yeah, I love.

01;02;48;02 – 01;02;48;13
Tayler Clifton
I just.

01;02;49;08 – 01;02;50;08
Jon Mayo
I have.

01;02;50;08 – 01;03;10;18
Tayler Clifton
Fallen in love with all things combat sports. I thought. I know I texted you were in that group chat for the Friendsgiving that we’re going to do and then I found So Daisy picked the date and I was scrolling through Instagram and I saw an ad for UFC. I think it’s 282 to 21 and it’s the same day.

01;03;10;27 – 01;03;12;16
Tayler Clifton
And I was like, Oh, this is perfect.

01;03;12;21 – 01;03;13;14
Jon Mayo
I just haven’t run it cause.

01;03;13;14 – 01;03;37;02
Tayler Clifton
I wanted to. Daisy and I had even talked about the summer before this. We planned this, having some of our Jiujitsu friends over for a UFC fight because we’ve had friends over for UFC fights before, but we’re really the only people in our friend group that are into combat sports like her, out of like her friends that we still hang out from high school and my friends that I still hang out with from high school and college.

01;03;37;21 – 01;03;59;13
Tayler Clifton
We’re the only people in the combat sports, so we’d have them over and we’re trying to explain stuff to them and and we’re getting excited. And, you know, there’s big highlights, you know, big knockouts, head kicks, stuff like that. But some of the grappling that, you know, you hear the traditional booing from the crowd when they’re slowly working to a position.

01;04;01;02 – 01;04;14;16
Tayler Clifton
Daisy I understood that with the knowledge of combat sports we have and they were like stand up and then punch each other. And it’s like so watching Emma with jiu jitsu friends is going to be fantastic.

01;04;14;27 – 01;04;38;02
Jon Mayo
I’ve had one experience, aside from when I watched the DCC together. It was for a UFC fight. I can’t remember which one and it was with Chris Ramos and it was so much fun because everyone loves watching the stadium, right? Yeah, it’s flashy, it’s fun, It’s it’s violent, it’s beautiful. But man, when when they hit the ground and you’ve see does a good job of keeping them pretty dynamic even when you’re on the ground.

01;04;38;05 – 01;04;54;12
Jon Mayo
Yes, the striking. But you just understand the intricacies of what is going on. It’s so engaging. Oh, my goodness. Oh, good, good, good. Yeah. And everyone else is just waiting for them to stand up and hit each other. And you’re like, Oh, no, this is really interesting. So it is cool to learn that language. Yeah, Opens up the world.

01;04;54;22 – 01;05;11;23
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I remember we were watching one and it was a I think it was on a free card and we just had friends over and I was like, Hey guys, I see fights on, I’ll throw them on. And I remember watching Chase Hooper, he’s, I think he’s younger than I am and he, he’s like a crazy jujitsu guy.

01;05;12;04 – 01;05;32;18
Tayler Clifton
But in May he’s more than the combat jujitsu type person. But he, he hit, he, I start I started seeing him pull the guy’s arm behind, his head, and I was like, Oh, my God, he’s going for a fucking twister. He’s in the UFC. This has been done once in the UFC and he’s going for a twister and he got it.

01;05;32;28 – 01;05;50;13
Tayler Clifton
And I was like, This is fantastic. His very next fight, he did the same thing. He didn’t get it the first time or the second time or the third time, but he attempted the twister, I think like five times and finally ended up getting it. That was like he’s hunting for the twister. He’s he’s toying with people trying to get a twister.

01;05;50;13 – 01;05;51;06
Tayler Clifton
What is this?

01;05;51;13 – 01;05;54;08
Jon Mayo
That is I do not like how twisters feel. And that is.

01;05;54;08 – 01;05;58;14
Tayler Clifton
No, it’s not fun. I think I’ve gotten one on you. Yeah, I don’t think that’s ever going to happen again.

01;05;58;14 – 01;06;02;15
Jon Mayo
How? Man was 0 to 5 stars do you not recommend?

01;06;02;15 – 01;06;25;10
Tayler Clifton
Well, what was great is I didn’t even have to learn that from jiu jitsu. I already understood the mechanics because it’s a wrestling move. Yeah, it’s actually in wrestling. We call it a guillotine. Okay, It’s not so hearing guillotine, I was like, that’s. That’s not like in jujitsu. I was like, That’s not a guillotine. What? You’re stuffing his head and stopping a shot?

01;06;25;22 – 01;06;26;03
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

01;06;26;10 – 01;06;32;07
Tayler Clifton
And it was like, it’s like, no, there. We actually went over guillotines this week, so guillotines come in tomorrow morning.

01;06;32;15 – 01;06;35;08
Jon Mayo
So Guillotine Mack, as in Jiu jitsu Guillotine Jujitsu.

01;06;35;08 – 01;06;36;00
Tayler Clifton
Guillotine. Yeah.

01;06;36;09 – 01;06;46;02
Jon Mayo
Yeah. Well, I’ll be watching for that. Yeah. Okay. So thanks for the heads up. Yeah, you’re welcome. And yeah, the twist, your man. I want to want to get my body around that. Secondly, that is some folks are.

01;06;46;02 – 01;06;47;02
Tayler Clifton
Totally teach it to you.

01;06;47;02 – 01;06;53;21
Jon Mayo
I just discovered a sweep that I have to show you when I go full.

01;06;53;21 – 01;06;54;10
Tayler Clifton
Yes.

01;06;54;21 – 01;06;57;29
Jon Mayo
It is wild and I think will surprise the tar out of some folks.

01;06;57;29 – 01;06;58;22
Tayler Clifton
That’s awesome.

01;06;58;22 – 01;07;00;08
Jon Mayo
So we’ll leave that at that for now.

01;07;01;00 – 01;07;04;09
Tayler Clifton
But you should wait to show me until you hit it on me tomorrow.

01;07;04;19 – 01;07;10;24
Jon Mayo
I’m not sure if I can pull it off on you just because of the size and strength.

01;07;10;24 – 01;07;12;06
Tayler Clifton
Difference you could do, Joe.

01;07;12;15 – 01;07;13;25
Jon Mayo
I could probably do it too, Joe.

01;07;13;26 – 01;07;14;21
Tayler Clifton
You should do it to Joe.

01;07;14;22 – 01;07;31;18
Jon Mayo
I’m going to try it on you, okay? In fact, I’m going to try new right after this, if you like. Okay? Yeah. I’m just not that watching it and then feeling how the dynamics are going to work is not connecting my mind yet. So that’s why I want to see what happens. Yeah, but it’s super fun. I love it.

01;07;32;04 – 01;07;49;26
Jon Mayo
And what a pursuit. Me I’m like, You’re building your body, you’re building your mind, you’re building relationships all like your diet can change to it. Like a whole bunch can change. It’s just such a powerful tool to enhancing your existence. You know? It’s beautiful.

01;07;49;26 – 01;08;19;20
Tayler Clifton
My my favorite part is the puzzle part of it. Yeah. It’s. It’s so much fun. Like, that’s that’s one of the reasons I love watching racing so much is the behind the scenes puzzle strategy portion of it. Yeah. Even like doing I was like, I told you I was doing some racing this morning myself and Granturismo there was a it was like a dry too wet weather race and it was all about figuring out when to stop and put wet weather tires on.

01;08;19;29 – 01;08;40;01
Tayler Clifton
And it was fun watching that too. I go back and forth between, oh, it stopped raining, Oh it’s raining again. Oh, it stopped raining, it’s raining again. And they kept going in and out of the pits. And I was like, I’m just going to stop and get gas and just kind of cruise on these intermediate. I’ll suffer a little bit when it rains really heavy, but I’ll be good until the end of the race.

01;08;40;02 – 01;08;42;05
Jon Mayo
Just kind of staying the course. Yeah, applying that strategy.

01;08;42;05 – 01;08;46;25
Tayler Clifton
Thank God it was a video game because we were all driving convertibles.

01;08;46;25 – 01;08;57;00
Jon Mayo
That’s fun. Yeah. You threw me in your rigs. You have this whole racing setup, right? Yeah, it’s pretty cool. And I am atrocious. I couldn’t. It didn’t matter what car you put me in. That thing was spinning out.

01;08;57;06 – 01;09;00;16
Tayler Clifton
All right, I want to try again with cars that are a little more stable.

01;09;00;26 – 01;09;03;18
Jon Mayo
Yeah, So, you know, handicap it for me because it’s needed.

01;09;03;18 – 01;09;24;20
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, but because I think it’s fun to throw people in that and say, Hey, try whatever car you want to drive. Yep. And see. See what they pick. First off, it’s fun for me to kind of understand taste in cars and then to see see them kind of get disappointed by it. Struggle? Yeah. Like that Porsche that you were driving.

01;09;24;20 – 01;09;25;22
Tayler Clifton
It was like, Oh, my God.

01;09;25;29 – 01;09;26;22
Jon Mayo
That was atrocious.

01;09;26;28 – 01;09;38;26
Tayler Clifton
But I guess there is something a little more stable and it’s a blast. Some of it is also understanding the tracks too, which because I’ve done this so long, I most of these tracks are ingrained in my brain.

01;09;39;04 – 01;09;51;11
Jon Mayo
I felt a lot better when we went on the dirt loop in a real vehicle. Yeah, I’m pulling some of the terms and stuff there, so okay, it’s a good reminder for myself. I can drive, but in that well, you need to learn in that you.

01;09;51;11 – 01;09;54;07
Tayler Clifton
Understood your machinery. Yeah. You understood the course.

01;09;54;07 – 01;09;55;07
Jon Mayo
Correct.

01;09;55;07 – 01;10;09;07
Tayler Clifton
That’s me. When I’m in the digital stuff, I understand the machinery, you know the cars. Don’t they feel good for a video game? But they don’t feel like real cars. It’s not a real car. Yeah, and you really can’t simulate that sensation.

01;10;09;16 – 01;10;09;25
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

01;10;10;11 – 01;10;27;02
Tayler Clifton
But understanding the machinery you’re working with with between the wheel I have for that. And then understanding the car and the game Physics. Yeah. You kind of piece all that together, and you understand your machinery like you did with your bug.

01;10;27;10 – 01;10;47;18
Jon Mayo
Yeah, And. And that’s what I love, though, about all these things. Everything’s a system, right? And if you get past the, the surface level bits of it, right, the flashy things that just kind of the skin if you will, and you look at the system like you just said, the the video game mechanics, the expectations from the vehicle, the course, the limitations of the tools you have to actually interface with it.

01;10;48;07 – 01;11;10;09
Jon Mayo
You can piece that together in a way to yield the results you want. It seems for Jiu-Jitsu, same is true for work. I know you work with computers. Yeah, I work with people. Yeah. Everything can be at its root. It’s like code and you alter the code and you alter the end result way more effectively than attacking the symptom.

01;11;10;09 – 01;11;11;19
Jon Mayo
Yep. So it’s a blast.

01;11;12;02 – 01;11;33;02
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. You know that symptom thing that I love that not treating symptoms, but hitting root causes of stuff. And in some of the work I do work, there’s a lot of chasing down actual root causes rather than applying Band-Aid fixes to stuff. And even if there are Band-Aid fixes, apply it. It’s like, okay, well, why did do it this way?

01;11;34;04 – 01;11;38;20
Tayler Clifton
What was the actual root cause of the problem? And how can we long term fix this?

01;11;39;04 – 01;12;03;27
Jon Mayo
Yeah, cause sometimes you have to triage something. Just stop the bleeding. Yeah, but that doesn’t mean you’re done with surgery, right? Right. It just means, okay, this thing’s not going to die or fail before I can properly fix it. So it’s like I get that. But it’s interesting because there’s a discipline to moving past the symptom, you know, like to address it when you have to you to to control it so that you have the time you need to continue.

01;12;04;13 – 01;12;23;20
Jon Mayo
But once that’s done to just then be rolling up your sleeves to get to the real work and to find identify that root cause that gap and make those systematic level changes or, you know, just fixes. Right. But at the source to do that is a skill set. It’s a discipline. But me and it’s fun.

01;12;23;29 – 01;12;34;08
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it is. I love it. No, I mean I can apply it to jujitsu to like I get triangle a lot. So what, what is causing media triangle so much? Well, it’s because I like to pressure pass.

01;12;34;18 – 01;12;34;28
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

01;12;35;00 – 01;12;58;10
Tayler Clifton
I can’t help that. I like to pressure bass also because of my wrestling back. Got a very head first in the stuff, so I end up, I wind up getting myself into triangles a lot. Granted, I can bandaid fix it and pick you up and start trying to stop it, but until I get to what’s actually causing media triangles so much, I’m going to keep getting triangles.

01;12;58;19 – 01;13;10;02
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm. Yeah. When you me up the second I’m passing, like about parallel with your waist, I’m disengaging from All right. In triangles gone. Yeah, I’ll. I’ll just try and sweep you real quick or something.

01;13;10;02 – 01;13;18;16
Tayler Clifton
Because, I mean, if I. If I end up rolling with someone I have, I think I’ve told you about my body. That’s six five like three 2340. I don’t know exactly how big he is. Right.

01;13;18;18 – 01;13;19;18
Jon Mayo
We’ll boy.

01;13;19;18 – 01;13;38;04
Tayler Clifton
I’m not picking them up if I get triangles. No, there’s no chance. Granted, he doesn’t like playing bottom game in jiu jitsu, so I don’t think I’d ever end up in that position. But he would know how to. But I don’t want to have to try to pick him up, so I got to figure out why am I getting triangles?

01;13;38;11 – 01;13;45;10
Tayler Clifton
Mm hmm. I mean, I know why, but I just got to actually implement the fix and stop being a wrestler. Yeah, Start doing jujitsu now.

01;13;45;10 – 01;14;18;17
Jon Mayo
That’s fair. Oh, that’s okay. Now that’s fair. It’s interesting because, like, everything comes waves, you notice a deficiency or an area you want to improve and then you focus on. And that opens up new clarity for another area. And you kind of just like journey forward, finding the next necessary. Yeah. And when we super fun, we kind of alluded to this but didn’t touch on it too heavily was you and I were in the sauna just having a blast talking about, you know, living intentionally and working to like forge maximize life, right.

01;14;18;19 – 01;14;21;23
Jon Mayo
When we’re just we’re sucking all of the goodness out of life.

01;14;21;25 – 01;14;22;02
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

01;14;22;13 – 01;14;49;13
Jon Mayo
And that spurred us having a full conversation that we recorded that I was a great loser on. And my verification of the audio feedback we had was not sufficient. Right. Yeah, I kind of rushed into recording after not recording for six months and that is not an excuse. That is it contributing factor to me failing. So I took it pretty heavily went before we sat down here when we did the final check together.

01;14;49;13 – 01;14;58;15
Jon Mayo
That was the fifth verification that all systems are for because I was like, I’m not duplicating. Yeah, self-inflicted. Yeah. So thank you for sitting down again.

01;14;58;15 – 01;14;59;04
Tayler Clifton
Oh, absolutely.

01;15;00;04 – 01;15;06;14
Jon Mayo
One of the good things is we did agree to do it again. Yeah, We just didn’t realize it’d be so soon to have our first debut as buddies.

01;15;06;26 – 01;15;12;06
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, So, no, it’s fun. I had a blast last time, so I was like, Oh, no, we have to do it again.

01;15;12;06 – 01;15;26;18
Jon Mayo
I know. Oh, Lord. What’s interesting, what would be interesting is it was about a month ago or so. Did you have any follow on thoughts from our conversation or do you just like just enjoy it?

01;15;26;18 – 01;15;48;00
Tayler Clifton
And I enjoyed it. The biggest thing I’ve taken away from from that conversation was the the whole call you had on me. I’ve noticed it and I’ve noticed it every day since I since we have that recording, I’ve noticed it while we’re doing the recording today. I’ve been trying to like, think about a reply before I actually say something rather than filling the space with a sound.

01;15;48;29 – 01;16;16;14
Tayler Clifton
And I’ve been doing it at work too because I’ve had some meetings. I mean, I had a lot of meetings this week that I specifically noticed. Oh, I’m saying am a lot. I may not sound as articulated as I could be, even though it’s probably just my brain trying to keep up. It’s it’s been really helpful to try to constantly focus on not just filling the space with sound.

01;16;17;09 – 01;16;19;24
Tayler Clifton
And it’s been weird for.

01;16;19;24 – 01;16;20;07
Jon Mayo
Sure.

01;16;20;28 – 01;16;53;00
Tayler Clifton
Because there’s a lot of space in the sound because I’m not used to that quietness and and noticing it more now as I’m talking about it again, it’s, it’s been really helpful, I think. And it made me think of the episode of Joe Rogan’s podcast when he had Elon Musk on there, and he would ask you on a question and Ellen would kind of just sit there for a second and think about his reply, and he would just and then dive into a super deep reply and very thought out.

01;16;53;00 – 01;16;53;14
Tayler Clifton
And it was.

01;16;53;27 – 01;16;54;07
Jon Mayo
Because.

01;16;55;11 – 01;17;08;11
Tayler Clifton
I think that’s kind of what I’m chasing is to be something like not necessarily be like Elon Musk, but chase his thoughtfulness and preparedness for answering a question and speaking.

01;17;08;19 – 01;17;39;20
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. I’ve let three slip out of this conversation, if I’m not mistaken. And it’s funny because once you’re turned on to it. You’re just so hyper aware that when it comes out, you’re, Oh, that stings a little bit. And not a fan of what I just did. And then it’s also helpful because especially having this conversation and recording it, one of the things I’m realizing because the short of when you and I sat down a month ago, it’s been March since my last since I was doing this consistently on any level.

01;17;40;22 – 01;18;03;25
Jon Mayo
And you really subconsciously feel this urgency to fill the space the entire time we’re talking. When you listen to it though, later, it’s fine if you do. Yeah, but if there’s pauses, it feels so natural. You know, it’s not until the pause is like 30 seconds to a minute of someone’s thinking on a question like, that’s what Elon did.

01;18;03;25 – 01;18;14;11
Jon Mayo
He would, he would sit and think. Because I remember the episode you’re talking that you’re like, Oh, man, I like to the point where Joe’s like, because I’m like the early episodes before he’s used to it is like, okay, it’s a.

01;18;14;11 – 01;18;15;09
Tayler Clifton
Little bit awkward.

01;18;15;17 – 01;18;25;16
Jon Mayo
Yeah, but it really commands a room too, because everything like, you go too long and it’s like too long. But up to that point you drawn the attention.

01;18;26;04 – 01;18;26;12
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

01;18;27;11 – 01;18;30;09
Jon Mayo
It’s a question. And then quiet and you’re sitting there like, Oh, man.

01;18;30;28 – 01;18;47;21
Tayler Clifton
Well then people can if it’s, if it’s a visual, you know, we’re in person like we are right now, or if it’s just audio, people can hear and or see the wheels turning in your head, being a thoughtful, having a thoughtful response.

01;18;49;08 – 01;19;04;29
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. Especially if you have that visual cue. And if nothing else, we have each other to feed off of me. Okay, this is we’re going deeper. And that’s what’s fun, because one of the things I reflected on was just kind of follow the winds of inspiration. Right? We’re in the song and talking. Yeah, let’s do it this afternoon.

01;19;05;04 – 01;19;05;12
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

01;19;05;23 – 01;19;24;29
Jon Mayo
I threw everything in the bag, set it up there. So it was one of those good reminders of, Yeah, you have to be willing to take advantage of opportunity and do so aggressively, but you’d better make certain that your skill set has not grown rusty, such that you blow it and botch the opportunity right? Right. Because it’s like you want to be poised for action.

01;19;25;02 – 01;19;45;23
Jon Mayo
Mm. Yeah. If you’re not taking action, you want to be poised for it from an opportunity strikes. And in that situation I was not appropriately poised to do this Well, right. So my big learning was, okay, you’re starting to lean back into the podcast with all the chefs, which I’d love to talk about some just lightly, but you’re leaning back into doing this more.

01;19;45;23 – 01;19;59;21
Jon Mayo
You better have your your tools in order. Yeah, your skill sets in order so that if you do have another opportunity where it’s like same day, let’s go in, you’re traveling, you know it’s going to be high quality. So that was a great reminder from the School of Failure.

01;20;00;11 – 01;20;02;08
Tayler Clifton
What I mean, it’s the best school there is, right?

01;20;02;08 – 01;20;04;08
Jon Mayo
Oh yeah. Good. Good learnings.

01;20;04;14 – 01;20;04;22
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

01;20;05;01 – 01;20;05;12
Jon Mayo
So.

01;20;06;07 – 01;20;10;27
Tayler Clifton
Yep. The only the only true failure is to stop trying.

01;20;10;27 – 01;20;27;27
Jon Mayo
Yeah. What is it? Learner winner learn. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah. I saw the sign though I fundamentally disagreed with. I can’t remember is like success is something and no failure is fatal and it’s like false. Yeah I know of a number of failures that are very true failures.

01;20;27;27 – 01;20;37;20
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. Especially working in a very like where I work, it’s like, oh, we learned. No, it’s just broke. Like there are definitely times when shit’s broke.

01;20;37;28 – 01;21;04;02
Jon Mayo
Yeah, well, we just I had a buddy that just over a month ago, I went out, I heard of a motorcycle versus SUV crash. We realized was probably him. We drove out there, confirmed was him. Thankfully, it wasn’t under her. She handed him down a Buick that he’s now on the up and up, thank goodness. Well over a dozen broken bones and severe damage.

01;21;05;15 – 01;21;12;06
Jon Mayo
But he should see their dad. That does number four, I should say. It really sticks in your brain.

01;21;12;06 – 01;21;12;21
Tayler Clifton
It does.

01;21;14;11 – 01;21;37;12
Jon Mayo
Make it. He’s scheduled to make a full recovery, though. It’s a long road. He’s at recovery. So it’s a it’s interesting. You know, he’s doing everything right from what we could tell. Sometimes you just get hit and now he’s choosing the response of leaning into healing and, recovering and fighting for them as best he can. And then this last week, one of my guys was involved in a crash that was a fatality for a motorcycle.

01;21;37;26 – 01;21;56;25
Jon Mayo
A motorcyclist. So and he was not our guy was not at fault. But, you know, this 21 year old’s gone right in. And you could see from the webcam like 10 minutes before the crash they’re like him and his buddy are in two separate bikes joking and Josh in and pointing around It’s like mean these you can make mistakes that will take you out.

01;21;57;02 – 01;22;04;05
Jon Mayo
Yeah so it’s in it’s good just being intentional in those decisions right where to have tolerance for risk or do I not.

01;22;04;08 – 01;22;04;23
Tayler Clifton
Yeah right.

01;22;04;24 – 01;22;09;29
Jon Mayo
And that’s one of the reasons even sort the back his 1969 beetle.

01;22;10;26 – 01;22;11;17
Tayler Clifton
There’s a lot of risk.

01;22;11;22 – 01;22;40;08
Jon Mayo
There’s I mean driving the 24 also for 30 miles a day. Yeah. Or I think it was like 45 there Mac. Maybe it just it wasn’t worth it for me. But by being intentional and okay, that risk tolerance isn’t right, like for my lifestyle, I was able to shift it, adjust it. And, you know, it’s amazing because so many decisions we make when you put the work in and make it, but that decision gets lived out a thousand times without even being thought about.

01;22;40;08 – 01;22;49;01
Jon Mayo
Yeah. And those are like the powerhouse decisions to make, right? You know, Goodness gracious. Like what you put in your fridge. What? Yeah. And what you do is it’s fun.

01;22;49;03 – 01;23;18;14
Tayler Clifton
No, it’s crazy about how many decisions people make every day and how many of those are not binary decisions, but rather it’s a I made a decision to do this. I made a decision between these eight options. In it. Weird, weird tangent. I like the the multiverse theory of every multiverse is a different choice path.

01;23;18;20 – 01;23;19;01
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

01;23;19;24 – 01;23;37;11
Tayler Clifton
So there’s every decision you make, every choice you make spawns off whatever multiverse of you not doing something or you choosing this rather than this. And to think about how many infinite infinite multiverse there would be if that was a thing.

01;23;37;12 – 01;23;37;22
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

01;23;38;01 – 01;23;48;26
Tayler Clifton
It would be. It would be crazy to see that on a tree from the beginning of time to to where are now? How how much it branched out quickly.

01;23;50;08 – 01;24;10;19
Jon Mayo
I love this topic. I, I love talking about these types of things. And yeah, you’re right, man, because. Okay, your first choice. All right? You make it. There’s only two options now. There’s two universes, right? And then every decision from that point forward. Yeah, and let’s say there’s ten or 50 or a thousand or a million options, right?

01;24;10;22 – 01;24;25;05
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm. Like, what is? The limiting factor per fork in the road. You know, probably the decisions that were cognizant to you. Right. So if you’re where three then three splits. Right. And so like but, but it is because it’d be like compounding infinitely compounding interest.

01;24;25;06 – 01;24;25;13
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

01;24;26;13 – 01;24;38;25
Jon Mayo
That what’s also interesting though is it still have a lifecycle because even if it starts as one and it ended with a couple of trillion right or whatever, over time all of those.

01;24;39;14 – 01;24;40;05
Tayler Clifton
Will come to an end.

01;24;40;05 – 01;24;44;01
Jon Mayo
Come to an end? Yep. So that’s fun. Yeah. Because it just be like this.

01;24;44;20 – 01;24;51;01
Tayler Clifton
You know, it would be crazy to see even just during one person’s lifetime, how much that would expand.

01;24;51;06 – 01;24;51;20
Jon Mayo
Yeah.

01;24;52;03 – 01;25;02;21
Tayler Clifton
Even during one person’s day, how much that would expand. Absolute. Because if you think, Oh, I want to go, I want to go do this. While I was there this and this happened.

01;25;02;26 – 01;25;03;24
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm. Well.

01;25;04;04 – 01;25;21;10
Tayler Clifton
One of those things could have not happened to me. That could have been a choice for someone else, because you’re already like four or five different branches and your one, two decisions. And so it would be crazy just to see one person’s day of how the different choices could play out.

01;25;21;16 – 01;25;33;19
Jon Mayo
One. Then it’s interconnected. Mm hmm. So, like, our paths cross today. So if just today’s both of ours are affecting each other’s and that’s just one layer of rate interconnected.

01;25;33;19 – 01;25;47;13
Tayler Clifton
And nothing’s in a vacuum, I know you’re affected by everything. I mean, we could have got in a another multiverse. We could have all made the same decisions, but it could be a blizzard out today. And I decided not to come. And then that’s the one decision that’s different in the multiverse, right?

01;25;47;15 – 01;26;12;10
Jon Mayo
Yeah, it and this whole topic is why I do not fundamentally understand how it’s possible to be bored with life. Yeah, because you start looking at things and you can take the mundane and make it extremely and vice versa. But this whole universe idea I really like and you know, there’s no proof that there are other universes or these other things in this context, Right.

01;26;12;21 – 01;26;38;04
Jon Mayo
But it’s kind of irrelevant because yeah, when you start thinking through these things, one of the aspects that stood out to me, especially given Facebook and that brand becoming the metaverse and things like that, is I realized our reality is completely our own right. And each person you can make a hell out of heaven and heaven out of hell.

01;26;38;22 – 01;27;04;26
Jon Mayo
It it’s amazing what you look at, what you consume mentally, the decisions you make, how you let yourself think and live completely will make you a reality separate from someone who is sitting right next to you, who’s experiencing fairly similar, similar stimuli, but is doing it through a different lens and therefore through that lens is having an entirely different experience it to them.

01;27;05;09 – 01;27;11;25
Jon Mayo
Right? And like on paper it can be the same. But to each of them, one of them’s suffering and one of them’s In euphoria, Right? Is that wild?

01;27;11;26 – 01;27;43;22
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it’s crazy. And you can even to tie this back to our intentionality conversation, you can intentionally all those decisions and and have that view on life to try to chase that optimum trail through, you know, the ever expanding tree or whatever. Mm hmm. You can chase the optimum path by making the intentional decisions to just be the best or do the best thing or, you know, it doesn’t you have to be the best.

01;27;44;02 – 01;27;50;12
Tayler Clifton
That’s why I don’t want to say best when I said when I’m talking about the path but optimum for how you want to live your life.

01;27;51;04 – 01;28;10;19
Jon Mayo
Better today than yesterday. Yeah, I am better than who knew better than you were yesterday, right? Right. That that’s actually a beautiful segway into what I was hoping to get to explore a little bit together. But the. There’s a lot of shifts, right? Mm hmm. I was reflecting on this over the last two years. I think I started seven businesses.

01;28;10;24 – 01;28;11;22
Tayler Clifton
Chase, and.

01;28;11;22 – 01;28;47;15
Jon Mayo
I’ve had five partners and lots of learning through that. But what’s cool now is I have one partner. Right? All the splits, thankfully, weren’t ugly, but one partner, one business. But what’s been really fun is the the other businesses are living on either end rebranding like the grit. They’re becoming relentless and staying part of the universal linear approach portfolio or living in a different way.

01;28;47;15 – 01;29;17;13
Jon Mayo
So one of the things I saw was called Veterans of Partnership, which the hope was to bring different entrepreneurs together. Essentially with a strong emphasis on vets, because I’m part of that circle and help inspire that type of value creation that I wanted to be part of. You know, so in the rebranding and consolidation of a couple of different ventures, the universal learning approach is still the business, but the website is called you’ll a universe dot com.

01;29;17;16 – 01;29;18;01
Tayler Clifton
Nice.

01;29;18;02 – 01;29;19;03
Jon Mayo
Yeah. So I kind of like.

01;29;19;03 – 01;29;19;08
Tayler Clifton
It.

01;29;19;12 – 01;29;48;05
Jon Mayo
A play right. I like it. And then that has CC stamina which is the performance supplement that we talked about earlier. And then you have relentless and associated blogs which will be fun. And you have the academy which will have the opportunity for networking and multiple instructors and things as well there. So I’m very excited to be bringing these efforts into this early universe.

01;29;49;00 – 01;30;13;13
Jon Mayo
And I like the idea of Universal because we just going back on, do we create the experience we I was like, Well, what if we created a reality in which people were empowered to lead maximize lives? Mm hmm. In goal was just to unleash that human potential. And we could work to equip people with that framework of thought so that they could improve upon it and live it.

01;30;13;13 – 01;30;18;29
Jon Mayo
And experience it. Yeah. You know, experience something more than consumption and death, you know?

01;30;19;04 – 01;30;19;11
Tayler Clifton
Yeah.

01;30;19;24 – 01;30;24;25
Jon Mayo
So it was that’s where it’s kind of all coming together. I love it and it’s fun.

01;30;24;26 – 01;30;25;21
Tayler Clifton
It’s fantastic.

01;30;25;23 – 01;30;26;09
Jon Mayo
It is.

01;30;26;20 – 01;30;45;15
Tayler Clifton
I like the academy thing. I want to. I want to bring the idea to some of my racing friends on doing a SIM racing academy through it. Because that would be fun. Yeah. To get more people into a world that I love through a tool that one of friends has made would be fantastic.

01;30;45;23 – 01;31;12;27
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. And like, one of the things we’re looking at and we being Kirk and I, is how do we like quality controls, but also directionality? Right. Like, we have a very specific purpose, right? Our goal is to unleash human potential. And we see ourselves doing that by equipping people, empowering them to lead, maximized lives and all of that has so much to unpack.

01;31;12;27 – 01;31;42;17
Jon Mayo
Right. Because it all starts with intentionality, discipline, consistency in action, relentless action. Yeah. And all that aimed at something. Right. Make it. What is better than what I am now? Right. You know, and putting parameters around that. So you just you put that in there and it’s already a challenge mentally to say, okay, we, we want the entire system set up so that you want to do this.

01;31;42;17 – 01;32;05;04
Jon Mayo
Embracing course, you can become an instructor, build this interactive learning experience, equipping experience, Right. Like, I really love this concept. I got I heard it from Nikki a couple episodes ago where she’s where she mentioned just trying to find her way home and she wants to help many people do that as she can. I love the concept. We’re all on this journey trying to find her way home.

01;32;05;05 – 01;32;21;02
Jon Mayo
Yeah. Right. And we’re all working to help each other. So we’re inviting each other to journey together. With the hope of learning better, to become better, to experience life more fully in it. You can see the multiverse just splitting off in that direction. Yeah. Right. That’s beautiful.

01;32;21;03 – 01;32;21;22
Tayler Clifton
I love that.

01;32;22;04 – 01;32;57;03
Jon Mayo
So that concept strikes a chord and then, like, I would love it. Yeah. Build. Build something that helps people to that end through racing. Right. And that’s what’s so cool about, is I can’t ever cover all the ways that people can create intentional, joy filled, well lived lives. Right. Where they’re maximizing their life, it’s impossible. But I can create a system where you can go and inspire people to become more intentional with their life, to take greater ownership of their life into, aim it at something, and to take action towards that aim through racing.

01;32;57;16 – 01;33;16;05
Jon Mayo
Right. Yeah. Chad’s doing it. There. Everybody who wants to join in through real estate. Yeah. And there’s all these options, and I’m starting to taste the possibility that, oh my goodness, these platforms are going to actually allow for a collective, unified.

01;33;17;04 – 01;33;17;23
Tayler Clifton
Universe.

01;33;18;02 – 01;33;44;10
Jon Mayo
Universe movement of people who are hunting the same goal. Yeah. Right. And equipping and supporting each other through that. Mm hmm. In that universe, that version of reality hopefully will grow and help create value. And like, imagine the number of homes in childhood and marriages and just single people’s lives that can be improved if they take intentional action aimed at improvement.

01;33;44;12 – 01;33;48;21
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm. It’s amazing. Yeah. So huge there.

01;33;49;08 – 01;34;05;23
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I love it. I’m excited for this to get going. I want to see more. I’m excited to see the rebrand of your podcast and see that there was you. Will a universe go up and just poke around in it and. Yeah, it’s going to be cool.

01;34;05;28 – 01;34;07;23
Jon Mayo
Yeah. I want to see what you’re thinking with the racing thing.

01;34;08;01 – 01;34;17;22
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, I probably wouldn’t do it myself being, you know, average, but having someone in our group that.

01;34;17;22 – 01;34;18;01
Jon Mayo
That.

01;34;18;09 – 01;34;26;16
Tayler Clifton
Has a lot more experience and would be willing because we actually have in our, in our group we have a driver academy kind of thing for new people.

01;34;27;05 – 01;34;27;17
Jon Mayo
To.

01;34;27;19 – 01;35;05;01
Tayler Clifton
Get shown the ropes and don’t just integrate a tool to that to make it easier. Mm hmm. So that you don’t have necessarily one person being a tutor all the time or, you know, one or two people showing up and tutoring people. It would be, here’s our pre-set tutor schedule. Go through this stuff. You know, there’s questions. It’s a community as one really big thing that that that my group of friends harps on We are not you hear a lot of sim racing leagues jumping up and we harp on the fact that we’re not a league.

01;35;05;25 – 01;35;11;26
Tayler Clifton
We have multiple series going and it kind of seems like there’s some leagues going, but we’re not a league. We’re a community of people that are.

01;35;12;14 – 01;35;13;00
Jon Mayo
All.

01;35;13;07 – 01;35;18;29
Tayler Clifton
And we all enjoy the same thing and we’re all here to to, to enjoy it together, to make it better.

01;35;20;00 – 01;35;27;13
Jon Mayo
So I’m not as familiar with all the specifics that you’re talking about. So like the league versus community, I know what a community is. But yeah.

01;35;27;13 – 01;35;53;16
Tayler Clifton
So the league is basically people sign up, they enter in and it it’s just to. It’s all for competitiveness. But it almost seems like the ones that I’ve been part of are too competitive and it becomes there’s animosity there. It seems like things aren’t run well and it’s just it’s just kind of gross. And then when I joined this group and they were like, Yeah, we’re not a league.

01;35;53;21 – 01;36;18;27
Tayler Clifton
Like, yeah, we have stuff going on, but we don’t have one person running something. We have a group of however many people putting everything together and it’s, it’s just really nice. It’s, it’s much less stressful. It’s much it’s we have a guy that recently announced that he can’t continue because he has been having seizures and it’s been getting worse and worse.

01;36;19;20 – 01;36;31;09
Tayler Clifton
And he said, I’ve put stuff together for it. I still love racing with you guys, but I can’t be there to run it. We’re like, Hey, that’s fine. That’s why we’re a community. You set it up and one of us will go running for you.

01;36;31;16 – 01;36;31;28
Jon Mayo
Mm hmm.

01;36;31;28 – 01;36;41;12
Tayler Clifton
And it’s kind of a lot of people have on each other’s backs. And it’s very. I feel like if we were in person, it would be a very similar vibe to our gym.

01;36;41;23 – 01;36;42;03
Jon Mayo
Okay.

01;36;42;10 – 01;36;43;14
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it’s fantastic.

01;36;44;03 – 01;37;12;00
Jon Mayo
That’s awesome. And that’s one of the things to people. Other human beings are worth being invested into and in relationship with. Goodness Gracious. Like the value of creating, finding, joining into your verb in communion with other human beings. Being intentional on the types of activities as human beings engage in. But doing that is invaluable. Mm hmm.

01;37;12;08 – 01;37;24;00
Tayler Clifton
Well, and we’re tribal social people, or I should say, a tribal social species. Mm hmm. So we need our tribe to. To thrive. Obviously exceptions to everything. Some people don’t.

01;37;24;00 – 01;37;27;23
Jon Mayo
But I think.

01;37;28;15 – 01;37;29;23
Tayler Clifton
For me, it’s.

01;37;30;24 – 01;37;31;09
Jon Mayo
I have.

01;37;32;09 – 01;37;53;25
Tayler Clifton
Probably three tribe, three or four tribes that I’m really subscribed to. And it’s really my family, my jiujitsu friends, my racing friends and my good friends from that I still am in contact with from high school, high school, college. It’s kind of like growing up friends, really. And those those are my tribes. Those are the people.

01;37;53;25 – 01;37;54;02
Jon Mayo
That.

01;37;55;23 – 01;38;16;00
Tayler Clifton
I don’t think I would necessarily. Diana Hill For my racing friends, just because it’s a long distance thing, it’s like we’re all No one actually. Well, some of them do physically know people, but we all know half of us don’t even know each other’s names. Mm hmm. But Jitsu friends, 100% will go to fight. Go to battle for those people.

01;38;16;00 – 01;38;28;06
Tayler Clifton
My. My growing up friends, same thing. My family, obviously. I mean, I would go to fight for it, but having those tribes makes experiences with those tribes even better.

01;38;29;05 – 01;38;51;03
Jon Mayo
Absolutely. It’s interesting because in each tribe, one that’s a unique time and for us, right. Because we can plug into all these things. And some of those are like circles within the larger organism. But the racing one. Right. Completely online, separate, right in and of itself. Like when you’re logged in there, you’re in that world, that universe, you know, that is what you’re doing with those people.

01;38;51;13 – 01;38;57;07
Jon Mayo
And it’s so cool that we can do that in such multi-functional way. Mm hmm. It’s like mind blowing.

01;38;57;15 – 01;39;01;12
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, it’s fun. Yeah, it is.

01;39;02;13 – 01;39;11;02
Jon Mayo
Well, good stuff, man. We’ve been at this for coming up on a couple of hours. Oh, you want to land it for today and do it against him?

01;39;11;03 – 01;39;11;26
Tayler Clifton
Yeah, let’s do it.

01;39;12;07 – 01;39;13;00
Jon Mayo
Awesome. Thank you.

01;39;13;04 – 01;39;14;25
Tayler Clifton
Yeah. Thank you, John. This is great.

01;39;15;15 – 01;39;31;02
Jon Mayo
And this time we’re actually publishing.