Episode 38 from The Grit Theory.

Today we discuss the difference between being “like minded” and “group think”. We also discuss the type of men we are working to raise our sons to become. 

Highlights include:

-Like Minded: Diverse opinions and shared ideals.

-Warning: Experience does not guarantee expertise.

-Common denominators.

-Exercise sovereignty over your life.

-Savage Gentlemen.

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Episode Transcript

00;00;09;15 – 00;00;16;05

Jon Mayo

Let’s go. Hello. Great there. Just wanted to see whatever reaction I could get off Lindsey with a different type of opening there.

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Lindsey mayo

Lindsay super hyped out on caffeine right now, and it’s not okay.

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Jon Mayo

Yeah, we’re caffeinated, we’re motivated. It’s a fun day.

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Lindsey mayo

It is a fun day.

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Jon Mayo

So today there’s a few things to chat about. Welcome to another episode of The Great Theory. And before we dive right on in, we have an ask for you in that ask is that you please pay forward any value you see in this episode by subscribing leaving us five star reviews, sharing the show and.

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Lindsey mayo

Which means even if you just send it to a friend in a text message or whatever, that’s fantastic. If you do not have to share it on social media, that’s wonderful for us. It’s great marketing for us because then a lot of people get to see it. But if you hear something in one of our episodes, either on Great Entrenched or even Coffee and grit, go ahead and just send it to someone that you feel could benefit from it, Correct?

00;01;12;16 – 00;01;37;18

Jon Mayo

So please share it. Subscribe. Follow us. If you’ve not checked out our website that’s growing rapidly, we’re about to have a store with our first merch, which is exciting. Yes, we now have a blog and conversations page where you can look by show by episode and we have our break down. Plus the transcripts there, they’re probably about 85% accurate and things of that nature.

00;01;37;18 – 00;02;06;20

Jon Mayo

So please help spread the word. We’re relying on you to do this and we need help. So thank you. So that that ask out of the way someone brought up in conversation the other day one of your coffee and great episodes and we’re asking what they as you had mentioned the term like minded and they were asking what we meant and there some like are you talking about groupthink or are you talking about shared ideals?

00;02;06;20 – 00;02;23;08

Jon Mayo

You know, that type of jazz. So, okay, you know, when a question comes up, I’m like, well, there’s probably more than one who has it for me and for you. I think that the concept of like minded is very well defined and clear. We both. So I’ll start with the definition to to be like mine is to have a shared set of ideals, right?

00;02;23;08 – 00;02;36;04

Jon Mayo

You want to go in the same direction, right? It’s not groupthink, what I would call groupthink to define that. It says the opposite, which is where difference in opinion or perspective is shunned, right?

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Lindsey mayo

It’s not welcome.

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Jon Mayo

Yeah, it’s like lock step. We want to believe the exact same things. Any disagreement is opposition in a thread, those types of things. I would categorize that as groupthink and that is the opposite of what we want because and.

00;02;51;15 – 00;03;26;27

Lindsey mayo

I want a lot of different opinions, I want to be able to challenge me or say, Hey, have you thought about doing it this way? I did this and it took me 5 minutes doing it this way instead of, you know, I’ve been watching you struggle for 5 minutes type of thing. Yeah. So for us, the like minded is totally, hey, let’s have a lot of different diversity within our community so that we can call upon each other and really just hone into each person’s skills because all of us are going to have different skills that we’re strong in.

00;03;26;27 – 00;03;42;02

Lindsey mayo

We’ll have different strengths and different weaknesses, and it’s totally in that like team movement type of thing. Hey, we notice this person’s really strong in this area. Okay, let’s go ask them and figure out and learn from what they do and how they’ve done it.

00;03;42;12 – 00;03;45;03

Jon Mayo

It’s the entire concept of iron sharpens iron.

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Lindsey mayo

Yeah.

00;03;45;23 – 00;04;08;04

Jon Mayo

And to summarize it closely, we want to build a community of like minded individuals. That is our purpose with the grit theory, you know, the the goal I have is to inspire the next generation of way makers and way makers to become a way maker is to be someone who embraces and cultivates grit. The choices you make on a daily basis.

00;04;09;14 – 00;04;40;28

Jon Mayo

Grow your courage, grow your bravery. They grow your resolve in your stick to tennis, and ultimately increase this character trait of grit so that you’re more fully able to live intentionally in the moment. Take responsibility for your actions and push towards a future of your choosing, despite the difficulty and the obstacles are in the way right? And what I love about the idea of Wavemaker is it embraces this idea that where there’s opposition you will gain skill set.

00;04;41;02 – 00;05;07;05

Jon Mayo

The obstacle is in fact the way which is an old Marcus Aurelius thought from from way back in the day. And it’s simply true when you are willing to continue forward in the pursuit of an ideal despite concern of loss or adversity or difficulty, you become a higher level, higher performing human being. So when you embrace grit, you become way maker.

00;05;07;11 – 00;05;31;04

Jon Mayo

That’s our goal. I want to build a community of people who share that ideal right, who want to live intentionally, exercise personal ownership and cultivate grit in their lives so that they can become better versions of themselves, leaders in their families and their communities. And ultimately, through this coalition of people, we can build a brighter tomorrow while safeguarding today.

00;05;31;19 – 00;05;57;07

Jon Mayo

You know, those ideas are all baked into this. So when I when I think about being like minded, those are the types of pursuits and ideals I want to be with. I don’t want to spend time with going back to watering your lawn from episode one and be careful who’s in your inner circle. I don’t want to spend time with a bunch of fat, lazy people who want to be victims and do not want to pursue or take ownership of anything in the lives, make things better and are looking for excuses.

00;05;57;07 – 00;06;09;18

Jon Mayo

It easy outs zero interest. I want to be with people wherever they are in the journey, whether at the start, the midpoint or well advanced beyond me who are looking at how can I seize the day. Right? Because nothing’s guaranteed.

00;06;10;06 – 00;06;33;10

Lindsey mayo

When you really need those people who are in a in different stages of life because you you can learn so much from them, especially if they’re in a stage of life ahead of you, Right? It’s like, don’t just have one. You can call them a mentor if you want, but that’s not even necessary. I friends, mentors, whatever language you’d like to use at that, that’s fine.

00;06;33;15 – 00;06;57;22

Lindsey mayo

But don’t just have one. Have many because each of them are going to have gotten where they are in different ways. But then you can also start going, Well, this one did this and he also did this, or she also did this. Right. And you kind of start to see these patterns of, okay, this is how this type of thinking and this type of progress is achieved.

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Lindsey mayo

It really does come down to some simple what’s a good word like baseline. It’s not a baseline. There’s simple principles, I guess he could say on how to get where you want to go.

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Jon Mayo

Well, I think ideals are something you pursue by embracing the principles that the ideal represents. So if you’re pursuing cultivating grit as an ideal, then you’re going to embrace having better determination and resolve. If you’re going embrace being courageous in exercising bravery. Right? So it’s like. Right. I think you’re spot on there. And, you know, the one.

00;07;34;20 – 00;08;07;03

Lindsey mayo

Most people take similar steps to get to a certain level of where they want to go with something, right? Like, if you want to be a CrossFit person, you have to pick up the weight. You know, like that is your that’s the common denominator, right? Like through all of it, you’ve got to pick up weight. And then if you want to advance and become a higher person in CrossFit, like now you want to compete and you want to go to games, well now you have to do it consistently and pick up more weight, right?

00;08;07;03 – 00;08;28;25

Lindsey mayo

So it’s like these building blocks. So you need a lot of different people to come in and around you to figure out what are those common denominators? Sorry I hit my water. What are those? Those things that we need to do to move forward together in the direction that we’re all pursuing with like mindedness?

00;08;29;25 – 00;08;51;03

Jon Mayo

Agreed. And I really the last piece on this well, before I’d say the last piece in my mind on the diver on the like mindedness versus group think you made the comment of like people in greater life stages. Be warned though, evaluate who your heroes are going to be, who your mentors are going to be, who you’re looking up to in the types of lessons you’re going to learn.

00;08;51;03 – 00;08;54;23

Jon Mayo

Because experience does not guarantee expertise.

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Lindsey mayo

Correct. And I’m glad you said that.

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Jon Mayo

Yeah. There’s a lot of people I know who’ve been married twice as long as us in our marriage is crap, right? I know a lot of people who have grown kids and their kids are disasters. You know, just because they’ve walked the path doesn’t mean that you should learn from their example, right?

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Lindsey mayo

Yeah. Look at the fruit of their life. Yeah.

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Jon Mayo

You may learn what not to do.

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Lindsey mayo

Right, But.

00;09;15;10 – 00;09;37;13

Jon Mayo

It’s good to judge for yourself the value in the same thing with it. Like this show, right? I sing about this. I’m sharing what I think When we have this show I’m sharing and I’m trying to make how I’ve come to these conclusions accessible for people to play with themselves. I’m not telling people how to think. I don’t want you to assume my thoughts for yourself.

00;09;37;13 – 00;09;49;04

Jon Mayo

I want you to evaluate them, challenge them, discard them, or use them as you see fit as a free human being with your own sovereignty over your life.

00;09;49;04 – 00;10;21;07

Lindsey mayo

Right. Well, and and the whole reason this conversation came up is because someone reached out and was like, Hey, can you guys clarify this? So I have a better understanding. Right? And I think that that’s something are we really need from our community and our listeners? If you hear something and you’re like, I don’t know if I agree with that, reach out and be like, Hey, can you kind of explain this a bit more to me so that we can say, Oh man, wow, Yeah, we didn’t use the correct language or we didn’t expand upon that thought enough.

00;10;22;00 – 00;10;24;29

Lindsey mayo

Let me tell you what what the heart behind that was.

00;10;25;10 – 00;10;54;04

Jon Mayo

Yeah, explain our exploration. Right, because. Yeah, we’re exploring and I love that because we’re on a journey. I don’t consider myself a subject matter expert, but I do consider what we’re doing here to be. We’ve had the courage to share our vulnerabilities, Right? Hey, we’re figuring this out. We’re walking through life, but we’re going to share it with you in the asking that, aside from sharing the show, is let us know when we’re not in the point because we will explain our thoughts more.

00;10;54;04 – 00;11;14;29

Jon Mayo

We will explore it more. We will advance if we change our minds. Right. And that is the last point I had. You tried it imperfectly. So no, it’s pretty. It’s beautiful diversity in my mind. Differing opinions, right? Ah, the spice of life. I love having conversations with people who see the world differently than me, but still want to make a better world.

00;11;15;02 – 00;11;44;06

Jon Mayo

Right? The baseline ideals are the same, which comes into like mindedness, but the different political perspectives, the different approach to solving problems and how they see different things. I love it. I love being challenged, and I love putting myself in the position to think, to seek understanding, right? So I can understand how they see the world. That doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with it, but if I can genuinely pursue understanding to the point where I see how you see it this way, I now understand why you see this way.

00;11;44;23 – 00;11;54;07

Jon Mayo

That is an amazing feeling. And I can say from that point now that I understand how you see it, that gives me a more fuller picture and appreciation for how.

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Lindsey mayo

I see it.

00;11;55;09 – 00;12;06;04

Jon Mayo

And we can now respect each other in that and maybe it will change how I see things. But there’s this beauty to a necessity to have diversity when in a community of like one individuals.

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Lindsey mayo

Right, right. Yeah. There’s a lot of power and perspective.

00;12;09;15 – 00;12;27;20

Jon Mayo

And you see that through our show, right? If you look at the span of our conversations with guests, we have an incredible diverse array of individuals who see the world very differently. But the thing that is bringing us together, right, is that like minded focus on ideals we want to pursue grit and make a better tomorrow by improving ourselves.

00;12;28;03 – 00;12;48;26

Lindsey mayo

And I want to make sure that, you know, those who do listen to us, our community, are they feel that you and I are approachable and we are a B were reachable for lack of better words. But I we have our phones. We have ways for you to get a hold of us. Like, please reach out, talk to us.

00;12;48;26 – 00;13;14;03

Lindsey mayo

This is the whole point that we started the podcast is we want to have relationship with others to create a community of where we can draw upon these different things and create a culture around. Like this is how we thrive and this is how we can be diverse and this is how we can think in the same direction, but still bring everything that we have to the table.

00;13;14;14 – 00;13;17;11

Jon Mayo

Yes, this is a unique attempt at creating community.

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Lindsey mayo

Yeah, right. So please reach out to us.

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Jon Mayo

We want to bring together way makers, right? Absolutely. And I’m really excited about that concept, the book that I’ve mentioned on social media that I’m writing and you’re helping. Edit Thank you. It talks a lot about this way maker mentality and lots of exciting things, so stay tuned there. Now there is one other topic I want to just to touch on today, and that is the type of men were raising.

00;13;42;11 – 00;14;09;28

Jon Mayo

So the last coffee and great episode where you really explore and we explore cultivating respect. Right? And you made an offhand comment as we went through it about, you know, we’re not trying to raise that type of man or something like that, right? We’re you know, we’re trying to it was in context of having emotions, right? Yeah. And that just made me think, you know, hot damn, I want to really throw a working definition out there.

00;14;09;28 – 00;14;36;13

Jon Mayo

I have not shared it with you yet. See what you think. But about the type of men we want to raise. Right. And when I think in what I love about this is this is a self licking ice cream cone at its best, at its pinnacle. Right? Because when I look at the type of man I want to grow and cultivate in my sons, that is an immediate mirror for me to look at the type of person, the type of man I better will be pursuing to be on the whole leading by example piece, right?

00;14;36;20 – 00;14;59;22

Jon Mayo

Otherwise they’re going to laugh at me. And there’s a lot of this that is the type of person as well. But I’m speaking with specificity towards my sons becoming men and the type of man I want to be. So and I want to get your thoughts on this. But when I look at what type of men am I trying to raise our sons to be, I want to raise young men who have hearts that are compassionate and willing to care and love deeply.

00;15;00;11 – 00;15;17;15

Jon Mayo

And I want to raise young men who are incredibly dangerous, incredibly dangerous. They’re absolute monsters, but are aware of their capability, aware of the fact that they’re monsters, and therefore bring it under self-control and self-discipline.

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Lindsey mayo

Like wielding a weapon.

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Jon Mayo

Correct, Aren’t they? I want powerful, dangerous young men who are under control and who are under self control and capable of extraordinary acts of compassion and love. That’s what I want to raise. Because if we do that and we equip them to ask questions to think, equip them to exercise logic and a little hint towards a future episode with you can instill in them a love for learning, then they will become unstoppable forces for good and light in this world.

00;15;54;28 – 00;15;56;25

Jon Mayo

Yeah, and that’s what I want.

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Lindsey mayo

Yeah, absolutely.

00;15;57;21 – 00;16;19;00

Jon Mayo

You know, what I don’t want is young men who my daughters can feel safe with, right? That whole concept that a daughter can be someone can feel happy that their daughter’s safe with them. Screw that. I want to raise young men who are the future father in law’s of their wives. Or like I know that my daughters are safe because of them.

00;16;19;10 – 00;16;29;22

Jon Mayo

Right? Big difference. One is able to protect and provide. One is neutered, docile and incapable of protection, and they’re very different. So what do you think about that?

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Lindsey mayo

We’ve talked about this a lot. I know that that’s more of an articulated response. Okay. What do you think of this.

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Jon Mayo

Articulation that I.

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Lindsey mayo

Think it’s good. I mean, but this isn’t something like our kids are now a lot older and we finally figured it out. No, we’ve kind of this has always been the this has been the heartbeat of what we’ve wanted for our sons. And I think you’ve just articulated it really, really well this time around. Instead of us trying to be like, Well, I don’t know about that one or whatever scenario that it is, but I think that that’s what we want.

00;17;05;12 – 00;17;27;28

Lindsey mayo

I’m not I want to raise men. I want to raise men who change not just themselves, not just their people, that they are surrounded by not just their future spouses or their families, but then they go out into the community and change the community for a greater good. And then they affect the community and they change the country for greater good.

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Lindsey mayo

Right? Like the whole thing that we’re trying to do is to raise men who are going to go create and change for a greater good.

00;17;44;09 – 00;18;01;26

Jon Mayo

Correct. I didn’t create this term. There’s a business actually about it, and it looks like they have some cool merch. I know nothing about the business, so I need your research. So don’t take this as like a character statement at this time. But the company is called Savage. Gentlemen, I love that picture. We want to savage gentlemen. Yeah.

00;18;02;05 – 00;18;09;13

Jon Mayo

And what do you think about the daughter piece that that I said specifically about, you know, young men that well, Was.

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Lindsey mayo

It that said that the other day?

00;18;10;27 – 00;18;13;18

Jon Mayo

So it’s well, you brought up the frustration, right?

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Lindsey mayo

Yeah. I get really frustrated with the whole like raising I’m raising a son that your daughter can be safe with. Now, I totally get and understand and that there is a lot that men push on. I it’s hard because I understand what the point of it is because you’re seeing more of the MeToo movement and that’s where that’s coming from.

00;18;42;03 – 00;19;07;02

Lindsey mayo

And not that the MeToo movement is bad at all. I think that those types of things can absolutely it’s hard because everybody can be deceitful and dishonest, right? So how do you now take like sharp cases in the Army and the MeToo movement and just sexual harassment in general? Right. Like it has been a man’s world for a really long time.

00;19;07;10 – 00;19;32;20

Lindsey mayo

And I see that women have risen and different aspects of that. Right. But the way that they’ve had to get there, it’s not come lightly. And the aspect of men, do you try to take advantage of women, but you also have the the other hand of women take advantage of men as well. So not everybody’s motives are clear this, that and the other.

00;19;32;20 – 00;19;57;10

Lindsey mayo

So I understand where a lot of influencers on social media are trying to say, Hey, I have sons that your daughter is going to be okay with because of those parameters. Right. But it aggravates me because now you’re trying to group a boys into this category of their filth and.

00;19;58;04 – 00;19;58;12

Jon Mayo

Your.

00;19;58;12 – 00;20;27;12

Lindsey mayo

Daughter is not right. And like that. Yeah, masculinity is toxic and feminism is everything that it needs to be. Now, I think feminism is fantastic. I have voting rights. I have things that women who have gone before me have gotten to do. And I have a lot of free rights because of those women. I don’t 100% agree with, like the bra burnings and all the craziness of the far left or right, feminism.

00;20;27;12 – 00;20;55;16

Lindsey mayo

Right. Okay. So I, I sit in between on both camps of the men and the women. Okay. So it’s hard because it’s like I have sons. I am not innately male, but at the same time I can also go. These are the core aspects and the things that you look for in women who are not going to deceive you, meaning you, and try to take advantage of your standpoint.

00;20;55;20 – 00;20;56;04

Jon Mayo

Correct.

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Lindsey mayo

And and that’s what bothers me. Well, it’s.

00;20;58;13 – 00;21;14;04

Jon Mayo

Because we believe in the sovereignty of the human being, irregardless of their gender. And that’s where this comes in. And and I wanted to hit on this because I knew the way that I first delivered it left too much for interpretation. And I wanted to dance in the grave because this is not a black and white conversation.

00;21;14;04 – 00;21;14;19

Lindsey mayo

No, it’s.

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Jon Mayo

You know, it’s not right wrong. It’s there’s a lot of grain here. And you know that hearing you further explore it and as I further rap about, it’s like, here’s a problem societally. We’ve had abuse and manipulation across time. Right.

00;21;30;24 – 00;21;33;11

Lindsey mayo

Right. And that’s and that’s where it stems from.

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Jon Mayo

And that’s the.

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Lindsey mayo

So I understood the influencers trying to come back to trying to be like, hey, we’re raising them differently. But I think the way that it was communicated was not fantastic.

00;21;45;12 – 00;21;51;18

Jon Mayo

Yeah, so if that’s the route, right? If that’s the issue, oftentimes when there’s a problem, there’s an overcorrection.

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Lindsey mayo

Yes.

00;21;52;11 – 00;22;26;23

Jon Mayo

And I think that’s one of the things we don’t like. So it’s like, okay, here’s the problem. There’s abuse and manipulation between sexes, right, between males and females, just to be clear on that stance. Shots. So there’s there’s different ways of solving problems. Yeah, right. And I wrote this down said to solutions to safe daughters or ensuring the safety of daughters right in this conversation from the context of raising men and raising our men is there’s one way that’s being proposed to society which is neutered, weak and therefore safe.

00;22;26;26 – 00;23;00;10

Jon Mayo

That’s what we don’t like. Correct. The other one that we are proponents of and that we’re championing 100% is this savage gentlemen concept of safety through competence and care. Right? Safety through competence and care. And I think that’s the are our response to the problem is you’re right, we need to raise something amazing. But that thing is not going to be a neutered weekend disposed of broken version of what these boys can be.

00;23;00;10 – 00;23;14;26

Jon Mayo

It’s going to be young men who come into their full capability and learn restraint so that they can provide, protect, love and benefit society through comprehensive care. So I was happy with that. But do you.

00;23;14;26 – 00;23;43;06

Lindsey mayo

Think. Yeah. And that way they can really create partnerships with who their future spouse will be, right? Because that’s really what we want for them. We want them to be able to be in a thriving relationship because we are created for relationship. And so that is something that our heart’s desire is they have to be able to be these things so that they can have partnerships with their future spouse.

00;23;43;10 – 00;24;07;16

Jon Mayo

Yeah, And for us, our belief in our ideals is that their spouses will be daughters, women, right? Yeah. So that they can grow families. Now, I’m a huge fan of freedom and individual choice, and I don’t have judgment or criticism against someone if they’re gay or have different sexual preferences. I don’t care. But don’t put your standards on what you want on me and I won’t put them on you.

00;24;07;17 – 00;24;30;08

Jon Mayo

Right. There’s this amazing thing of live and let live that some people don’t want to do. And I’m actually a proponent of because I believe in human sovereignty. So I, I am pursuing and believe and in raising my sons to marry women and grow families and have children and continue this pursuit. Right. Sorry. Very savage, gentlemen. That’s not a judgment, do you?

00;24;30;19 – 00;24;53;13

Jon Mayo

Right. But don’t bring what you do into my house. And I think that’s a fair thing to say. It’s an exhilarating thing to say after years of being stifled on topics like this. But it’s also important because just like we’re not going to raise boys who stay, boys in our room are reliant and neutered. We’re going to raise self-reliant providers who can care for and lift up people, right?

00;24;53;25 – 00;25;11;06

Lindsey mayo

Well, and I think that really starts now. They are boys and we understand that they are under our care. But at the same time, if we don’t start the foundation that we’re raising them to be men now, then they will always have a boy like mentality, correct.

00;25;11;06 – 00;25;12;06

Jon Mayo

And we see that.

00;25;12;06 – 00;25;27;25

Lindsey mayo

And we’re always addressing them as young men and you know that they will become a man as they mature and become older. And I think that that’s really important to the way that you lay your foundation really matters.

00;25;29;22 – 00;25;43;05

Jon Mayo

And, you know, I think about the Kaisers, right? Craig Kaiser was on a show a few episodes back. He has four daughters. And I just think about I want to be able to, you know, if one of my sons and one of his daughters were to marry in the future, I want to be able to look them in the eyes and said, I did my best.

00;25;44;09 – 00;26;02;15

Jon Mayo

I’m confident that he will be able to provide a life that you would want your daughter to walk into and look at it from that perspective, because we’ve not been blessed with a daughter. And, you know, at that point I did want to touch on this. We’ve have all sons, but if we were to be blessed with a daughter, the world better watch out because that young lady is going to be something incredible, right?

00;26;02;15 – 00;26;16;19

Jon Mayo

Yeah, because I will adapt this mentality to appropriately match the needs of a daughter versus sons. And that will be another journey all in of itself. But there’s so much value in raising a human being that.

00;26;17;15 – 00;26;37;00

Lindsey mayo

A well-rounded human being, just a well-rounded human. I think we had this conversation last night at dinner and I think that that really matters to you of like this whole concept of like, oh, well, men can’t cook. That’s that’s a woman’s place or whatever, right? Like, I get that that idea is a lot further from the norm these days.

00;26;37;00 – 00;26;56;16

Lindsey mayo

But our boys, I normally do the cooking and because of just the way that our house works. Mm hmm. Slash, you don’t cook fantastically. So there’s that. But they see me cooking primarily, so I don’t want to give them this perception that only women can cook.

00;26;56;20 – 00;26;57;14

Jon Mayo

Well, I mean, you know.

00;26;57;14 – 00;26;59;24

Lindsey mayo

So, like, that’s kind of that aspect of it.

00;26;59;25 – 00;27;17;04

Jon Mayo

Let me touch on that real quick, because I just threw of like we’ve thrown off quite a few hand grenades in this conversation. So just to be like throughout the conversation. So just to be very clear, last night I had such a heart of gratitude because you had made this amazing, wholesome dinner for us. You had made homemade biscuits in pie.

00;27;17;04 – 00;27;32;29

Jon Mayo

And I was like, This is just I’m in heaven. I’m in heaven on earth because we have this family situation around the table where we’re all talking and sharing about our days in a warm house with food on the table like we are so infinitely wealthy in good health. Like what a blessing, right?

00;27;32;29 – 00;27;34;05

Lindsey mayo

It was an amazing evening.

00;27;34;05 – 00;27;40;12

Jon Mayo

And in that gratitude, I told my sons, you know, our sons, boys, you need to learn to cook exactly like this.

00;27;40;24 – 00;27;41;28

Lindsey mayo

Yeah. So you can cook well.

00;27;41;28 – 00;28;03;04

Jon Mayo

So that you can cook well, and then also so that you have a good standard for when you’re looking for a partner in life. Right When you’re looking for your mate. Because we do have this really fun mentality on our marriage. It’s like one day they can’t figure out how to do this for themselves first. Yeah, and then to that also helps you to set the expectation, the standard of what you want in your life and these different things.

00;28;03;04 – 00;28;15;10

Jon Mayo

And who knows how the roles will play out, right? Who cares, right? Maybe they will be the primary cooker, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is we want to teach these competencies so that they can then use logic to create the situations that make sense for them in their lives.

00;28;15;29 – 00;28;25;14

Lindsey mayo

And that’s a lot of fun. I was raised to. I have a lot of skills that would probably be classified as more of a man’s skill or.

00;28;25;16 – 00;28;26;25

Jon Mayo

A sportsperson in the family.

00;28;26;25 – 00;28;50;08

Lindsey mayo

I am the sports person in the family, but I’ve also built a log cabin with my family. And so that comes. That’s construction. You know. So there’s those types of things, and there’s just a lot that I’ve learned that I was taught. I had an endless open opportunity. And I think that when you get to dabble in all of it, you can you decide.

00;28;50;26 – 00;29;03;11

Lindsey mayo

Yeah, you decide what you do, like what you don’t really like, but it’s at least like, Hey, I have the baseline knowledge. I at least tried this. I didn’t write it off to be like, Oh, well, that’s just what a girl does. Or Oh, that’s just what a guy does. And then leave it at that.

00;29;03;14 – 00;29;18;22

Jon Mayo

Well, I’ve thank to your father every time I’ve seen him about especially since we don’t see him as often for how he raised you and the fact that he had you do the cabin stuff and the fact that he raised you to be this incredibly competent human being right. And, you know, we need to have him on the show.

00;29;19;03 – 00;29;29;06

Jon Mayo

So shout out to Jeff Field. You’re coming on the show and we just need to set it up. So probably in the next couple weeks since we’ll be seeing you in person, we’ll try and get that in. Yeah, we’ll just bring.

00;29;29;06 – 00;29;30;06

Lindsey mayo

Everyone, all the equipment.

00;29;30;07 – 00;29;32;24

Jon Mayo

We’re going to ambush you in your own house to get a show with you so you.

00;29;32;24 – 00;29;36;11

Lindsey mayo

Don’t know it because he. Yeah, well, I won’t know unless you listen to this episode.

00;29;36;15 – 00;29;56;20

Jon Mayo

Yeah. So this is fun, but talk about this holistic picture of just being very intentional about raising a generation of human beings that make the world a better place, right? Yeah. And that’s the pursuit here. And just looking at this conversation, just thinking through what we had, I don’t think there’s a hot topic that we didn’t touch on.

00;29;57;03 – 00;29;57;17

Jon Mayo

Wow.

00;29;58;07 – 00;30;01;19

Lindsey mayo

You need clarity. Please reach out to us.

00;30;01;26 – 00;30;02;26

Jon Mayo

Yeah, yeah.

00;30;02;27 – 00;30;30;20

Lindsey mayo

In a we’re not trying to be divisive. This is more of a like doing unity. Yeah, we were just trying to share what our family is doing. We are trying to raise well rounded individuals who have a lot a broad scope, scope of skill sets so that they can move into any avenue that they would like to without feeling like they’re at a deficit.

00;30;31;08 – 00;30;54;16

Jon Mayo

Correct. Or at least that they have tools to overcome said deficit. If that’s the case. And and that’s where this is an exploration. Right. It comes back to you is just think about this. When when you want to build trust with someone, you have to have skin in the game. You have to make yourself vulnerable. If there’s trust in Amick, you have to I think it’s helpful to lead with vulnerability, to inspire trust from the other person.

00;30;54;16 – 00;31;16;16

Jon Mayo

Right. And that’s what we’re doing in these conversations. Hey, here’s thoughts. Here’s that. Here’s some of it’s like taboo. You’re not supposed to say this, but it’s a fair statement. And that’s where we’re sharing these things. And the question absolutely is please reach out. If you have a question you want us to explore further or explain a point that we’ve made with greater detail.

00;31;16;16 – 00;31;50;06

Jon Mayo

And, you know, back to the ask at the beginning of the show, if this conversation has inspired you, encouraged you, challenged the way you think, anything that you’ve felt that has happened to make you feel like there’s value added, please share it. Please subscribe and let’s continue the journey together.