Episode 10 from The Grit Theory.

Today we explore the concept of rejuvenation and rest through the intentional pursuit of change. Change in activity, change in environment, and change in perspective. This concept was championed by Winston Churchill and later expanded upon  Brett and Kate McKay in their “Sunday Fireside” article “Change is the Master Key“. In addition to this topic we also announce an exciting update, as well as celebrate our 10th episode on The Grit Theory. Highlights in this episode include:

– Challenging the concept of what is now considered “rest”
– Exploring a myriad of alternatives in “rest through change”
– The importance of self care
– Rest as a discipline and need


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Another article worth checking out “A Change IS a Rest“

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Episode Transcript

00;00;00;03 – 00;00;11;05

Jon

Welcome, everyone. This is kind of an exciting episode because we have two fun announcements today. One is just recognizing where we are in the early stages of this journey. One Episode number six.

00;00;11;05 – 00;00;20;11

Aaron

This is episode ten and we’re shooting. And yes, this is a very cool it is called the decathlon of iPods testing.

00;00;20;20 – 00;00;29;10

Jon

Yes, this is the episode. Ten means 20 weeks of consistency to do this. Yeah. Which is pretty neat.

00;00;29;17 – 00;00;31;05

Aaron

Yeah.

00;00;31;05 – 00;00;40;20

Jon

And we feel incredibly grateful for is we are well over 750 downloads at this point. So thank you everyone for tuning in and.

00;00;40;24 – 00;01;01;11

Aaron

Loving the feedback we get from Austin, Texas. Facebook people just calling us even emails. We’ve got from people either directly impacted or someone in their circle that heard it that needed to hear something. That is that is the most fun to hear how it’s specifically helping or or making people think in a different way.

00;01;01;26 – 00;01;11;24

Jon

It really is. And I think we’ve both been incredibly encouraged by that, which kind of goes into the second phone announcement that we’re going to be working to fulfill. And what is that?

00;01;12;16 – 00;01;31;08

Aaron

Yeah. So we’re thinking with all the receptivity that is happening, how could we not do weekly podcasts and get get more content out there? We found that we’re having more topics in our brain, more discussions that we have than we have that we have scheduled events to do so.

00;01;31;21 – 00;01;38;00

Jon

So yeah, So all that being said, this is the last episode of The Great House.

00;01;38;01 – 00;01;40;15

Aaron

Which is like, are we rebranding right now.

00;01;40;29 – 00;01;56;06

Jon

Is over. Pretty excited to work at the weekly podcast and see where we can go. So today. So those are two fun things. Episode ten and we’re working on the weekly and we’ll see where this journey takes us, huh?

00;01;56;15 – 00;02;15;26

Aaron

Absolutely. And again, just just humbled. I think as you do more of this, it just makes your mind think in a way that’s like, okay, what else do I. It’s I think as we talk, it’s a gift one to yourself, but also to those people who are engaging in the conversation. And so it just makes it kind of exponential.

00;02;15;29 – 00;02;19;14

Aaron

I got to do more of this. I want to have more conversations like this.

00;02;19;14 – 00;02;37;08

Jon

It’s very rewarding. It’s like the endorphin rush from doing exercise or like how you feel good if you eat something fresh, you know, it just it feels good. And and it’s not like there’s anything being special. One of the things I was thinking about that I enjoy about this is you and I have a delivery time just to have this conversation.

00;02;37;28 – 00;02;54;16

Jon

And then I think about how with COVID and everything else, there’s been so much isolation. So I think this is an opportunity for us to have genuine conversation people, regardless of where they are, and that we can all participate. You know, it’s another means for that. So it’s fun to.

00;02;55;00 – 00;03;16;09

Aaron

I think it’s funny when we hang out is funny because I think of it like historically, what would this be? What would what would be the equivalent? And to me, it’s like if Aristotle and Socrates were just hanging out in the gym and having a conversation. Not that we’re at that level, but it’s not. It’s a very atypical gym scenario.

00;03;16;10 – 00;03;20;18

Aaron

I mean, the musings we have about lifting weights is great.

00;03;20;20 – 00;03;30;23

Jon

That is definitely the ideal. When we are like the lemmings hanging the tree, watching them all scratching our heads, I don’t think we’re.

00;03;31;13 – 00;03;44;28

Aaron

Yeah, well, you know, but it’s like simultaneously, like John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, we’re building a fence together. I mean, that’s just it’s. It’s the craziest kind of minds and actions that work together.

00;03;45;12 – 00;04;26;21

Jon

Very funny analogies. Yeah. And we’re like the kid brothers. Yeah, right. Hey, Dad. How do you do that? That was fun. Yeah, exactly. That’s really neat. So, yeah, today’s is a is a fun conversations. We. I read an article published by Brant McKay, Brant and Kate excuse me. They are co-founders of the art movement as podcast and community, which is a really unique community that really just looks at restoring or helping encourage good ideals, manners, etiquette, character, dressing properly, you know, self-help, things like that.

00;04;26;26 – 00;04;52;22

Jon

Just kind of fun things. And in this article in specific, it’s called Change Master Key. I read it a long time ago when it was published. Well, I read I was introduced to it before this was published. I thought it was very concise in the way, bringing it up. And he introduced me to a quote from Benjamin me from Winston Churchill.

00;04;52;25 – 00;05;19;08

Jon

I completely misspoke there about how change is incredibly important and rejuvenation in the context. The backdrop is, you know, World War Two. Winston Churchill going at it consistently putting going to the fight with Nazi Germany and all the things that go with that or being bombed. And, you know, obviously there’s a bit of pressure, right? There’s a lot of work.

00;05;19;24 – 00;05;52;25

Jon

And how do you keep sharp when you have a lot in your book, you know, and I figured you could read Churchill’s quote and then just have a conversation, because when I heard Churchill’s quote of the years ago, it affected how I live my life significantly and then revisiting this and it’s a real short article, I was able to share it much more tangibly, and it seems to whoever I shared it with and seem to like it, especially when we talk about some examples of how like personally it affects you, right?

00;05;53;15 – 00;06;19;12

Aaron

You know, it’s a this is a backdrop to qualify. And Churchill speaking about this and you’re going to talk about we you’ve all heard Churchill, but you may or may not be aware of the intense mental pressure he was under while being bombed by Germany. His nation was all but losing the war. He had to be the voice of strength and perseverance for a nation that was losing hope.

00;06;20;08 – 00;06;44;13

Aaron

So for him to be mentally rested, sort of like then it’s that whole like in an airplane. Now they tell you to put your breathing mask on first before you go help others. Like he had to be very, very intentional about making sure that he was healthy so he can get behind that. Mike So when he says something, I guess whatever code he has like is what he was going through is nothing like I’ve never done it.

00;06;44;25 – 00;07;09;18

Jon

I agree. He’s earned it. He’s earned some respect regardless of. No one is perfect, but he’s certainly earned respect and the value to do so. Absolutely. Because it’s a bit contradictory of how we dress. And that is the thing here. When you think change, think rest. So here, I’ll just read this real quick and we’ll continue talking to.

00;07;09;18 – 00;07;31;08

Jon

All right. So Winston Churchill put it this way. A man can wear out a particular part of his mind by continually using it and targets. And this tired part can be rested in strength, not merely by resting, but by using other parts. It is not enough merely to switch off the lights which play upon the main and ordinary field of interest.

00;07;31;22 – 00;07;49;03

Jon

A new field of interest must be eliminated. It is only when new cells are called into activity. When new stars become lords of the ascendant, that relief repose refreshment are for the. So what does that mean?

00;07;49;08 – 00;08;03;24

Aaron

Okay, well, let’s see what it does say what it it mean first. So I think rest Western mindset. Right. Okay. So let’s call it what it is we think we think rest is sitting on the couch watching.

00;08;03;24 – 00;08;06;08

Jon

Netflix or something.

00;08;06;08 – 00;08;28;13

Aaron

Or it’s sitting on the beach. And those are types of rest, right? But it’s not all that rest is rest isn’t not moving. That’s what this is challenging. It’s not it’s not saying it’s closing your eyes or being sentient as is rest. It’s saying something entirely different. Which what are your thoughts on that?

00;08;29;02 – 00;08;53;09

Jon

Yeah, I think that premise is accurate. All right. What I really like is the juxtaposition. Okay? If you think about like, okay, what is change, right? So if you think, well, I work with my mind, like, all day, like if your job is your mind, computer work, things like that, then rest would be getting to work with your hands.

00;08;53;22 – 00;09;02;20

Jon

You know, woodworking, whether working, painting, whatever, you know, anything. If you’re indoors, outdoors, the juxtaposition when you get outside.

00;09;02;24 – 00;09;28;29

Aaron

This is lost, I think, right now. I mean, specifically, I’m not this kind of women from this, but men have, I think, forgotten the art of finding a good, healthy hobby to give their mind rest, because this article does challenge that We may be fatiguing ourselves even more when we go home by the types of rest we have.

00;09;29;13 – 00;09;39;07

Aaron

And that’s what it really hit me between the eyes on the one are you? I guess this is a big question that we’re tackling. Are you resting well and what should that look like?

00;09;39;16 – 00;10;07;21

Jon

Well, I think that what happens is there’s a lot of incentivization to Netflix. And sure, there’s there’s a lot of money that is spent to encourage us to scroll Instagram enormously, you know, to play video games, to watch movies, to watch shows. And that is how you spend your evenings. That’s how you spend your time at work. And there’s nothing wrong with any of those things inherently or, you know, the proper portion.

00;10;08;02 – 00;10;33;26

Jon

But when they when those entities get what I think they want, which is you can, if you dinner, prefer to watching something and you put your brain into like a state of idle, like it’s an engine idle, it just is being pulled in whatever direction the shows are or whatever direction your your audience of choices, then they’re getting to advertise and make profits and stuff.

00;10;33;26 – 00;11;02;06

Jon

So on the one hand, I think that is what over time we’ve been taught is. So it’s not just like, Oh, we chose it. We’ve also been instructed and encouraged and rewarded for its glamorized and, and the problem is it I do think it’s a lot like you can’t I don’t feel refreshed if I watch a movie with my family, but if I come home and don’t do anything else and just watch shows for the evening, I don’t feel good.

00;11;02;26 – 00;11;06;29

Jon

I don’t feel any form of rejuvenation. I go to bed just as hard as Yeah.

00;11;07;12 – 00;11;25;18

Aaron

And we feel it the next morning. I feel like often we go instead of having a sense of I’m I have energy to give to the, the 810 hour and what do we give to it. You have more of a sense of I just kind of get through this and get back to the thing. The rest becomes.

00;11;25;18 – 00;11;26;22

Jon

More the goal.

00;11;27;18 – 00;11;45;07

Aaron

Versus the the rest fueling the larger part of your life, your weight, waking life. It’s it’s kind of madness, really. It’s like living for the weekend. But you have five days of work. So it seems kind of opposite to me. That’s a lot of that’s a lot of time to not like your.

00;11;45;07 – 00;12;28;15

Jon

Life would maybe. Yeah and even more or in line with that most a lot of people that are working in front of the screen all day in some form of like a building so how how much do things just blend together? If you spend all day in front of a computer screen and then you go home and you’re watching TV or something like that, the content may change, but there’s nothing to add spice to life when you’re just in the same circumstances, different scenarios like the same situation, different circumstances for the majority of your waking time.

00;12;29;07 – 00;12;41;24

Aaron

Let me ask you this question, because this is I think this this becomes sometimes the the conversation we have in our own head. But is it if it’s fun, is that the same thing as. Yes.

00;12;43;19 – 00;13;23;02

Jon

I think I think it can be. I think there’s another element, though, that that the thing that I think this idea really comes out of right is I think there’s a restful joy giving productivity that’s being missed in what most people consider. So if instead of just watching 4 hours of TV at home or something like that, you decide you want to go for the walk with the dogs or with yourself, you decide you want to try and draw something or pick up some hobby or whatever.

00;13;23;02 – 00;13;51;03

Jon

You know, what you start to realize is you’re accomplishing things in these leisure activities and you’re you get rejuvenated. All right. But the reason why one of the reasons I enjoy training is because I’m very, very rare circumstances in my job. What I ever need to do is like that sense of fun, spark of vibrance, you know, in the morning that.

00;13;52;07 – 00;13;53;26

Aaron

But very different from what you’re doing.

00;13;53;26 – 00;14;20;12

Jon

Is very different. I just I can adjust the rest of the day. And then the same thing’s true, you know, once the families are in bed, I could stare at a screen again, which I’m going to do for typically 10 to 12 hours the next day anyways. Or I can come up and experience the richness of the smell and feeling of leather or a wood that I’m working on or the paper that I’m writing.

00;14;20;16 – 00;14;34;19

Jon

You know, there’s just there’s this there’s a reward of creating something that I think is extremely valuable, that you, you lose when you just consume media of any sort.

00;14;34;20 – 00;14;58;06

Aaron

I had it. So the other part of this article is talking about how we can overuse those parts of our brain. So what starts off as fun becomes something that’s really fatiguing. You know, like I like my job, I wouldn’t do it, but at some point it tires me out. Isn’t doing that same thing. And so the point of this article is speaking to that part of your mind needs to be rested.

00;14;58;19 – 00;15;22;09

Aaron

You need to engage different part of your brain. It’s not unlike of switching muscle groups or switching topics of conversation can be refreshing. Like, okay, we’ve all been kind of tired of talking about this is, you know, let’s talk about something else at rest and we can come back to it later, remember? So what we’re speaking to is what does it look like?

00;15;22;09 – 00;15;28;14

Aaron

And this is something I’m going to play a little game with you, John, here in just a minute.

00;15;28;14 – 00;15;30;02

Jon

But I’m not going to games.

00;15;30;02 – 00;15;54;15

Aaron

Yeah, this is this may be every 10 minutes, but it if you do some thing, whatever your job is, what is it that can allow you to switch? That’s not your job. You know, I tell people I work with, it’s like you want me rested when I’m rested, I’m great. I want to do. But when I’m tired, you don’t want me at the front.

00;15;55;01 – 00;16;15;09

Aaron

They don’t want me on the steering wheel anymore. I need to give me that at rest. It’s worth it. Give me that day. We don’t bother me, you know I don’t bother you. You know, whenever I need to shut down, sometimes I have a job. That’s very tough conversation. Heavy. So oftentimes, Russ looks like for me, that’s something that’s very non speaking, but it can be very physical.

00;16;17;03 – 00;16;36;19

Aaron

Like I’m good because my physical muscles are fine and rested, but my mental mental muscles are done. Okay, so let’s do this. So here’s the game, John. What? Let me give you some jobs and let me give you and I want you to tell me what you think their rest should be about. Could be. Could be. Okay. Oh, that’s better.

00;16;37;00 – 00;16;54;25

Aaron

It’s pretty imposing, isn’t it, If you will. If you’re doing something else, you’re all right. All right. So. All right, so you mentioned computer app at the computer screen all day. Type in data entry, whatever you done, what does that person do for us, do you think? What could they do?

00;16;55;11 – 00;17;24;06

Jon

I think anything that gets them away from the screen and doing something with their hands and engaging with some form nature or nature or natural items, right. So for that one, just to list off 3 minutes for a walk. Right. And absorbing what you can see, picking something up, you can deal with your hands move like I you some leather working in woodworking as examples there.

00;17;24;15 – 00;17;48;07

Jon

I also tend to animals right amongst other things. And that’s really the shifts like I love there’s there’s a picture with this article the first day of working at a computer and then you do woodworking and it’s just like. Like you sit in a building in a garage right there, doesn’t it doesn’t matter. It’s just you’re changing the dynamics to awakening more of your senses.

00;17;48;07 – 00;18;05;16

Jon

You can smart, feel it, touch it, engage with it, become one in that moment of enjoyment. Allow your mind to wander. So if I’m working from a computer all day, I typically finish by going around checking on my animals, doing chores associated with them. Go from there.

00;18;06;02 – 00;18;08;07

Aaron

Okay, so how about like a FedEx worker?

00;18;08;23 – 00;18;14;14

Jon

Okay, FedEx worker. So this, by the way, thank you all delivery folks out there. We appreciate.

00;18;14;14 – 00;18;17;22

Aaron

Yes. I know you’re working hard last year for sure.

00;18;18;13 – 00;18;47;09

Jon

So lots of driving, assuming that the delivery, a lot of driving, lots of running back and forth. You know, I’ve thought sometimes about one of the benefits of doing that is if you can listen to podcasts or books that’s driving. Yeah. Engaged in that conversation with great minds like through podcasts and books, right? Yeah. So when you get back from that and guide, you ask that question and I don’t want to steal whatever your next job is going to be.

00;18;47;09 – 00;19;13;19

Jon

So you’re already walking a bit, you’re already driving it, you’re focused on efficiency and productivity, right? And how quickly can I drive? How quickly can it be struck off? Yeah, hopefully you’re maximizing that time to learn while you’re doing it. I think that what jump into my mind is pursuing some sort of whimsical beauty, right? Allowing yourself or creativity.

00;19;13;19 – 00;19;32;06

Jon

That would be the change because your entire days focus on getting from A to B to C as swiftly and efficiently and effectively as possible. Under tight timeline. So freeing yourself from a timeline and allowing some fine pursuit of beauty or joy, you know, that’s.

00;19;32;06 – 00;19;34;19

Aaron

Yeah, that doesn’t have time constraints.

00;19;35;06 – 00;19;54;14

Jon

Yeah. I just go be somewhere or even if it has a constraint like an hour or two, you know, because you have other requirements or whatever that is. It’s not like I have some incentive to hear through this experience. Okay, for the next hour, I can do whatever I want and not think about it and whatever that might be.

00;19;54;20 – 00;20;00;26

Jon

And it’s pursuing something that far like that, you know, that’s what I would be my first guess.

00;20;01;01 – 00;20;08;18

Aaron

That’s good. That’s good. I don’t want to be. I think it’s so nonverbal and I’m not going to be around people.

00;20;08;18 – 00;20;09;06

Jon

I can just kind.

00;20;09;06 – 00;20;23;11

Aaron

Of be free with you to talk about anything. You know, this muse a little bit, get out of sort of like a automaton, You know, if you have with the kids. Play with the kids. Yes.

00;20;23;11 – 00;20;42;22

Jon

But yeah, real quick, fun thing they’re in and I can do better at this is being intentional to just get on your hands and use and roughhouse around. Mm. Right. Yeah. I’m just re-experience the joy in that and it’s awesome. Yeah. Executes frankly makes your day.

00;20;42;29 – 00;20;54;13

Aaron

Yeah. You wouldn’t even, you wouldn’t even think that’d be a restful thing to get out and roll around and stuff. But I dare not to smile after wrestling market and it’s so refreshing.

00;20;54;19 – 00;21;14;03

Jon

For any politician to is that more than we get back on track and I saw this a really interesting picture on something I don’t remember and it was like a cartoon pretty nice drawing thing. It showed like a dad walking home with grocery bags and he’s like all stocks and higher interest, like a battery with the right arm above him.

00;21;14;03 – 00;21;44;25

Jon

And then at the door, he walks in the door, he sets the bags by far, and then structures needs to give his little girl hug and make the batteries recharge. Yep. Yeah. And I loved that. And I think it’s true. And I think that there’s this that insane line that she juxtaposed. I just saw another article where some person was wanting to hear about more people offering their regret to help children or the reasons they’re proud they don’t have kids.

00;21;45;10 – 00;22;12;04

Jon

And I was just like, You are a despicable, disgusting creature. Like, I hate you, like in the way I want you to go away and disappear because I think that you are spreading a lie that’s robbing others of feeling and embracing and pursuing because it is an active pursuit. The joy to embrace parenthood, you know, because if you don’t, then you can become jaded and then you’re ruining your life and your children’s life.

00;22;12;04 – 00;22;13;28

Jon

You know one other. Yeah.

00;22;14;13 – 00;22;14;26

Aaron

That’s good.

00;22;15;06 – 00;22;19;04

Jon

Elon Musk, There’s been a vision for the.

00;22;19;10 – 00;22;21;05

Aaron

Some something he does offer.

00;22;21;05 – 00;22;29;09

Jon

Something he needs to do. He’s not he doesn’t do much, but he’ll be remembered.

00;22;30;07 – 00;22;30;11

Aaron

Yeah.

00;22;31;10 – 00;22;56;11

Jon

But he was talking about, hey, like my kids didn’t ask me or I chose to participate in whatever actions you bring them about. So they don’t owe me anything. I owe them. And and I love and I loved that. And I was, like, also refreshing to see someone else’s influence perpetuating that, because each one of us has the opportunity either to support someone who has kids and encourage them.

00;22;56;11 – 00;23;26;01

Jon

And that even if for whatever reasons, they don’t or choose not to, they can still be supportive of that endeavor because otherwise we’ll go extinct or they can re-embrace their duties as parenthood. I’m speaking for myself here as much as anything and find and cultivate and join in the destructiveness and goodness in it. And that’s one way you can speak some truth and bring some change into work and stuff.

00;23;26;01 – 00;23;57;03

Aaron

And I love that. On the back of that, you said there about somebody trying to affirm their discontent with being a parent. So I that really, to me is true of anything. This is why I just I really challenge ungrateful thinking, especially when it comes to work. I get it. We all have jobs that suck at times. You can change that situation, but while you’re in it, be grateful.

00;23;57;12 – 00;24;18;18

Aaron

If you’re making money, you’re doing better than most of the world. And and like a lot of money here in comparison to people, be thankful for that. Be grateful for that. That’s just a lot. That’s a lot of hours. It’s a lot of energy to be hating being a parent and in discounting the fact of as much as I get to spend some time, I got to go do this.

00;24;18;18 – 00;24;32;09

Aaron

And the more you focus on the negativity of that, things is just going to grow and grow and grow and you’re not going to get any money from it and people steal from you and the reality is not going away. So to me it’s a lesson in sanity and.

00;24;33;29 – 00;25;14;18

Jon

Yeah, it is a lesson in cinema and misery loves it. And misery monitors because, you know, just like with, with, you know, we’re attacking a crock of lies here that we’re afraid to believe is true. And I don’t think it is, you know, like rest is just, just watching TV, you know, avoid responsibility, pursue comfort and the joys and lifting the responsibility to embracing the relationship with your spouse or your partner or your friend that is going through difficulty.

00;25;14;18 – 00;25;34;12

Jon

It’s it’s looking at yourself hard in the mirror to figure out how the heck is remembering and like, oh, this parts me that are absolutely despicable. You know, it’s looking at the fact that all the crimes kids and I’ve been a complete loser with them Yeah you know or maybe not if you’re doing something, but it’s okay I’m sure I could do better.

00;25;34;12 – 00;25;40;03

Jon

And it will further improve them. And maybe that, you know, whatever, so that I.

00;25;40;19 – 00;26;04;26

Aaron

Am giving my all to do. So I call back to that episode when we talked about what I want. You got to make a choice to do that. Here’s where I’m guilty is that I know I want to. There’s things that I have priorities for, but I’m tired. I don’t. That’s why I really think this discussion is so incredibly important because you just won’t do those things if you’re if you’re fatigued.

00;26;05;18 – 00;26;32;16

Aaron

No. And so the challenge would be, okay, what do you do about it? I can be arrested because being in a constant fatigue state is unacceptable. You have to find a way. We talked about finish lines before another talk. I like you have to you have to find a place where you stop so that you can rest and then get back to it and then love what you’re doing and not go through the drudgery of it.

00;26;33;05 – 00;26;39;27

Aaron

It’s amazing how invested mine is. It’s has so much more potential than one that’s just like all gassed up.

00;26;41;20 – 00;27;08;23

Jon

Yeah. I mean, I don’t know about you when I’m done with my work day and I’m transitioning to family mode and my wife’s kind of what, at the end of that period of time, like my commitment is to my fiance. I can’t just walk in the door and I’ve had to over like, I’m not ready right now. I’m done working to be engaged as a father, husband or friend.

00;27;08;23 – 00;27;30;05

Jon

You know, I’m fatigued, maybe grumpy, maybe just in the zone because I’m not there, I’m not connected. So there’s so many ways that people self-medicate that maybe it’s a beer, maybe it’s just sitting in front of TV, maybe it’s the Instagram saying maybe it’s exercise on a positive note or getting outside or in a crash for a little bit of time.

00;27;30;06 – 00;27;51;08

Jon

One of the things, especially now that I’m not commuting as much, is when I’m done and I’ve done experiments because I have a love hate relationship with alcohol, you know, a long, tasty beverage, I have to be very careful that doesn’t take too much of a place in my life, you know? So it’s a continuous thing we talk about and put parameters around stuff.

00;27;51;08 – 00;28;16;06

Jon

And if you’re, you know, everyone’s got to watch their pleasures because the pleasures can become their masters. Right? But one of the things that I rework you and I can do the functionally and justify it if I’m feeling under a time crunch is I just go for a short walk, you know, 3 to 5 minutes. And the way I justify is I have some animal in my life that needs some form of care.

00;28;16;14 – 00;28;38;06

Jon

So I can just say I need to go check the chickens or whatever. I’m going to just take the dog out or I just need to see the woman for a few minutes of your life or just walk down the street. You know, it doesn’t matter, but I’ll just go on that walk, be intentional about my breathing, and really try to focus my mind on absorbing the visuals around me, the movement, the activity, the energy.

00;28;38;25 – 00;29;02;19

Jon

And I’ve noticed that just by being outside for 3 to 5 minutes, I can come back in the door and they really intentional about breathing, focusing on absorbing things visually and smell and hearing and just I try to activate my senses 35 minutes to come back in and I’m much more ready. I’ve like intentionally turned the key to become, you know, family guy and friend yes yeah.

00;29;02;21 – 00;29;23;23

Aaron

And that’s that’s such a good rhythm to to be very cognizant of I this is something like me personally concept to come back to this like these rhythms break all the time much less much like really any healthy rhythm you’re going to be you’re going to feel like not doing it sometimes or you’ll break out of those rhythms.

00;29;23;23 – 00;29;43;11

Aaron

But knowing that that has such benefit and being able to to engage that and use it as a tool to get that mind back. And that’s what we’re talking about here. These are sometimes rest. It doesn’t feel fun at first, the activity, but as you get into it, and especially once you get even at the end of it, you realize it.

00;29;43;20 – 00;29;50;06

Aaron

It’s it’s amazing how your mind is open to all kinds of possibilities, to the relationships around you.

00;29;50;23 – 00;30;00;10

Jon

Absolutely. I can’t take full credit for that. And just go for a walk for the reset based on my my brain. Lindsay helped me discover I needed to figure something out.

00;30;00;11 – 00;30;01;22

Aaron

As they as they do.

00;30;01;27 – 00;30;10;03

Jon

Yeah, that I hear that so few years ago she said, how about you get out of the house for a bit, take a breather, come back and you’re ready. Okay. You know, kind of a wake.

00;30;10;03 – 00;30;19;06

Aaron

Up call now as well, just continuing to get out there. Some guys, which is like code for we’re kind of sick of your personality right now. You need to fix that.

00;30;19;19 – 00;30;37;04

Jon

You have to fix yourself. And what’s nice is now it’s like, have you now that we’ve been having this, these changes that have you, you know flip the switch it Yeah for one. Yeah, yeah. And it’s like that’s security Nicolas Cage tonight. Maybe I’d be more jerks than I need to be up and back in 5 minutes.

00;30;37;08 – 00;30;59;20

Aaron

Yeah, right. That’s right, that’s right. I mean, I think other people out there, you know, construction guys. Yeah. And then there’s a CEO. They’re going to rest different when I get home. To your point, I think I would challenge a rest cycle of rhythm, rest cycle that has to do with something that could be damaging to your mind or your time.

00;30;59;29 – 00;31;16;21

Aaron

You know, So you got to decide what that is. But there are things that can if they replace something that’s more sustainable than that, that can be dangerous, right? So a walk is very sustainable. You know, nobody’s going to argue with everything.

00;31;17;13 – 00;31;41;10

Jon

Well, what’s fun is the construction CEO, both for training in very different ways, right? Yep. Like looking at the construction one, the immediate thing that jumps into time, they’re working with their hands and their bodies right? So maybe it is some sort of integration from technology or learning something they want to do, reading a book, doing some art, you know, the funding with the CEO.

00;31;41;10 – 00;32;06;08

Jon

I think that’s closer to, you know, you’re leading an organization. Churchill One of his things he did was he had a number of ways of changes rest, but one of them was he did paint very regularly. And that that kind of comes from the idea of like your entire focus is on productivity, results, efficiency and those types of things.

00;32;06;22 – 00;32;41;02

Jon

There is a joy in pursuing beauty and creativity to whatever we can. And I that one really struck me when I was reviewing this for today’s conversation. I was like the pursuit of whimsical beauty and joy as a juxtaposition to efficiency, productivity and stuff like that. It was just really cool. Once again, that’s something that I can tap into to help charge because I spend most my time in active pursuit of just efficiency.

00;32;41;02 – 00;33;21;17

Aaron

And I agree I love. So my job is very contract heavy conversation, negotiation. So I, I enjoy things that when you say whimsical, I think I like do some good comedy. You know, I like to if it’s just a short YouTube or if it’s or just pick up the phone with somebody I know I’m going to laugh with, That’s what I need because I’m it’s so sterile what I do sometimes that I need something that is that doesn’t have the boundaries of ABCDE, you know, paragraphs and sub points and all these kind of things.

00;33;21;21 – 00;33;39;19

Aaron

I need the freedom to be to have some levity, by the way that you talk about Elon Musk, his SNL monologue. Very funny. Take a look at it. You like that kind of stuff because he’s so you on is he’s he’s diagnosed with.

00;33;42;20 – 00;33;44;02

Jon

Not you can’t.

00;33;44;02 – 00;34;04;12

Aaron

Forget I can’t think I can’t I’ll think of it in a minute but anyway he has his personality is what he speaks monotone and you can’t tell if he’s being serious or he’s joking all the time and he doesn’t make Aspergers. He doesn’t. He can’t make eye contact with anybody. That’s his thing. Is he diagnosed with that? That’s something else he says.

00;34;04;13 – 00;34;09;17

Aaron

He said, Yeah, I’m Asperger’s. I’m like, okay, I’m around or just out there.

00;34;09;17 – 00;34;09;29

Jon

I want to make.

00;34;09;29 – 00;34;35;21

Aaron

Sure that, yeah, unless he’s joking, but not wrong. Yeah, but anyways, it’s like he has, he’s awkward personality wise and if you’ve ever seen him on an interview, but he’s as fun to watch. And so I just, I just love, like, finding the human spirit that likes to smile and laugh and enjoy things. Because sometimes I, my view of where because it’s such a long part of my day is likewise is very black and white and all that kind of stuff.

00;34;35;21 – 00;34;43;24

Aaron

I have to challenge that in my rest time so I can go back to it and realize I am too jaded. I don’t get into a situation like this is all biases.

00;34;44;19 – 00;35;13;18

Jon

And I’m thinking about at some as we’re talking, I’m just remembering somebody. So we’re very intentional. About twice a week they need to go and do some sort of a game night or a karaoke thing at a spot like and I was like, What a strange way to spend time. Our circumstance really different, but in hindsight it’s like, no, that is a loose, cool, ultra positive, fun connection with people, but you can just be finding yourself with.

00;35;14;01 – 00;35;37;23

Jon

And at that time our work is very serious and professional, so it’s like how cool? And so just going and watching TV, you’re intentionally leaving your house to go engage with mostly strangers to do some fun Pursuit. Yeah, right. Whether it be Scrabble or, you know, bocce ball or karaoke, it didn’t matter is just this fun, expensive energy connecting with other human beings.

00;35;38;08 – 00;35;39;11

Jon

And I was like, That’s cool.

00;35;39;13 – 00;36;05;13

Aaron

It’s not about the action itself or what you’re actually doing. It’s it’s the fact that you’re doing something different than what you have to do in 10 hours a day. I think people who have that knowledge are the ones that really do well with their craft, whatever their daily job is, if they have a good way of disengaging their mind and switching that muscle, give it a little rest, and then they come back just fully rested and and love what they do.

00;36;05;13 – 00;36;17;03

Aaron

And there’s a there. The eyes light up when they get there in the morning. It’s the employee, everybody. It’s it’s like they’ve found a way to be rested through the night. You know, I’d be jealous of that a little bit, you know, figure out how to get there.

00;36;17;12 – 00;36;33;08

Jon

Yeah, absolutely. There’s one other scenario that I really appreciated Brett calling out and I given that was written by Amy, his wife, I, I don’t know who to give credit to. I’m going to assume Kate.

00;36;34;05 – 00;36;34;26

Aaron

From the article.

00;36;34;27 – 00;36;53;17

Jon

Yeah, from the article. And I’ll just read it because I think you said it well enough. I can’t I’m not seeing a way to improve upon it. So it’s, it’s the only conversation and quotations you make during the days with partners, a dialog with a great friend or a great book at night. Yeah. Is key to the conversation.

00;36;54;19 – 00;37;11;19

Jon

Yeah. If you if you’re a parent in general, especially good parenting is your occupation. One hand hands off to you. You’re performing one of the most important professions that as a species you can so well done too. You’re not crazy.

00;37;11;29 – 00;37;14;12

Aaron

Yes. Get yourself some good conversation.

00;37;14;18 – 00;37;20;16

Jon

You can go crazy. Yeah. Book, podcast, anything. Conversation. Not with a child.

00;37;20;29 – 00;37;42;02

Aaron

And I heard it. I love it when when ladies get together and I’ve heard this so many times, it’s so good to have adult conversation. You know, maybe you’ve said that before because even listening to Mom, I’m hungry and all this all day, and it’s like, it’s fine at first and it’s cute at first. We all we all that and it’s endearing until it’s not you’re tired.

00;37;42;09 – 00;37;43;05

Jon

And shortness is.

00;37;43;11 – 00;37;43;20

Aaron

Yeah.

00;37;44;01 – 00;37;47;12

Jon

I hear my little terrier screeching around guns or.

00;37;47;12 – 00;37;49;14

Aaron

Some recording right? Yeah right.

00;37;49;14 – 00;37;53;09

Jon

So other than the lion’s share of that, Oh my gosh.

00;37;53;19 – 00;38;08;15

Aaron

And we have we will have lots of kids. So we get it. You know, what they’ve gone through. And so it’s really important that we encourage them to go, hey, going, Oh, my girlfriend. Yes, like a full sentence paragraph type conversations.

00;38;08;15 – 00;38;34;23

Jon

I mean, to that I do want to call something out because I think it is important. It is the it is the shared goal, right? Yeah. So like right now circumstantially I’m doing X, Y and Z, right? And my wife’s x, Y, and Z has proven throughout all of it. So my mindset when I get home is I’m giving myself that 5 minutes to get back together and switch gears and be engaged and happy.

00;38;35;05 – 00;39;00;09

Jon

But I am starting my second shift as that. Right. But she deserves for me to show up and not sit on the couch and disengage or work with her on Yep. Go going like No, hey, I need 3 minutes to get my head right. And then I’m here as your partner, as your as your partner in this endeavor and as dad to these kids in grade point.

00;39;00;09 – 00;39;18;20

Jon

Regardless if I do what’s right, love, I never feel like it’s very rare that I feel like if I check and say, Hey, Daddy’s home time to be a father and be a husband to my wife and support the people that I’m, you know, responsible to help.

00;39;18;20 – 00;39;40;19

Aaron

Support, I would say, John, that’s a great point. I would really challenge because there’s there is an old school and it’s still kind of lingers that the husband worked all day. I did my job. I get home and I deserve to sit on the couch. And if you’re that guy now, now, and one I would you’re tired. And this is something you really you’ve got to be honest.

00;39;41;02 – 00;39;45;26

Aaron

Your fatigue is one type of muscle group that you’re tired it correct.

00;39;46;02 – 00;39;46;17

Jon

Change that.

00;39;46;21 – 00;40;17;03

Aaron

Change it up. So when you get home she’s tired of doing the mom muscle. So let her not be a mom for a minute in the full capacity. Give her a break, be a dad into the dad all day. Really so that muscles rested after good activated be fully engaged 100%. So don’t don’t do computer phone time while you’re busy inspired that so be down you’re done switch that muscle focus solely on it Be surprised at how much energy you really have to be able to do that into it.

00;40;17;04 – 00;40;21;13

Jon

It is a call out to myself as well, because this is an area that I feel like I always.

00;40;23;09 – 00;40;24;13

Aaron

I’m talking to myself.

00;40;24;26 – 00;40;49;11

Jon

And others. And that’s really interesting because predominantly in our culture, people believe that something is wrong to talk about, which I think is retarded, is absolutely asinine. But because of the importance of the job of raising our own children, I am huge proponent of that. People are going to disagree with me. That’s fine. It’s called We’re still live in a free country where we can have that type of freedom of opinion.

00;40;49;11 – 00;41;17;14

Jon

But I think that we throw away a lot of values when we discard that idea. And the point that I’m bringing this into is like that was a really prevalent mindset historically and still demonstrates now by the idea of a man with a comparative t shirt dress. Well, now that we have both parents working in so many situations with young children, you know, it changes a bit as the kids get older and you can change the dynamics and situations are different, but especially when they’re young.

00;41;17;24 – 00;41;26;24

Jon

Now, both parents are done with a long, stressful day of work. They pick their kids up from wherever. If they’re not activating the parents, who’s turning the kid at home?

00;41;27;05 – 00;41;28;14

Aaron

Right. It’s a device.

00;41;29;05 – 00;41;47;23

Jon

It’s a device typically. Or they’re just not getting it from the parents. And then that’s really quite a shame because at least before you had one parent whose parent and now you may not have either because of that mentality adopted by those parents. Right. I’m done from work. I deserve a break. Your bricks and your kids are asleep.

00;41;48;20 – 00;42;12;18

Jon

You don’t deserve to be happy. Know you have responsibilities, whether it’s and it’s the same with like if you have a dog or an animal, that dog deserted. You didn’t choose you. You chose to get that animal. Take it for the walking to, you know, to take it for the exercise. And we don’t deserve breaks. We deserve to fulfill our responsibilities to the best of our ability.

00;42;12;18 – 00;42;15;27

Jon

And we deserve the reward of fulfillment constantly.

00;42;15;27 – 00;42;22;13

Aaron

And the break fuels the mission. It’s not a deserving thing. Yeah, it’s just part of the process.

00;42;22;13 – 00;42;24;15

Jon

It’s part of the. Exactly. You know.

00;42;25;04 – 00;42;51;11

Aaron

That’s a different it’s a different mentality about resting. Resting is not the goal is not the finish line. It’s part of what you do to make sure that you can be fully for most of your life unless let’s let’s face it, the beauty is the good stuff of life that you can only really enjoy the good stuff in life when you learn how to rest well so you can be fully engaged and enjoy the maximum benefit of you giving it your all.

00;42;51;27 – 00;42;55;24

Aaron

You only get out what you put into.

00;42;55;24 – 00;42;56;27

Jon

Yeah, I think that.

00;42;57;00 – 00;43;05;09

Aaron

I should say more than you put into it. That’s the crazy part. You’re going to get. The sum of your actions are actually greater than you’re fully engaged.

00;43;06;29 – 00;43;31;16

Jon

Yeah. And with that, there’s an incredibly important distinction because it’s not that breaks or it’s not that breaks are rest or bad. No, it’s. They’re necessary. Yeah, it’s it’s simply I think what we’re kind of having fun in categories you or myself or anyone are not entitled No. To a break because there’s something. Yeah. You know, and that’s what we’re tackling.

00;43;31;27 – 00;43;54;12

Jon

We have to do the self-care to be able to demand more of ourselves and to be able to give our all. And to your point, when you’re fatigued, you’re giving looks that we were fatigued this morning on a small level and we were putting out the same amount of effort, what we were putting out this amount of effort, but not producing the same results in the gym that we would if we weren’t fatigued.

00;43;54;27 – 00;44;15;00

Jon

You know, it’s the same like that. That’s why the change for us is so valuable, because if you hit that five minute switch that you are actively in the right mindset and ready to engage with whatever responsibilities you need, when you will transition to the second part of your life outside of work, whatever that might be, just your partner, just even, just for your own sake.

00;44;15;00 – 00;44;45;18

Jon

If you are if you’re single and live by yourself, you deserve an intentional shift in focus and mindset from work to your evening life so that you can enjoy your life right? And not just be in this groaning right now. Shifts like that, that is where you owe it to yourself to do that so that you can engage more fully in whatever you want for yourself or whatever your responsibilities that you’ve committed to demand.

00;44;46;09 – 00;45;12;16

Aaron

That’s that kind of is it? That’s sort of that. Work hard, play hard, but it’s fun. Those are that is just it works in tandem because I only work hard because I’m very well rested, but I can only rest really well when I’m really tired because I’m working hard. That’s the beauty about really pushing maximum effort, really getting after your day.

00;45;12;29 – 00;45;35;21

Aaron

It’s the days when I just kind of flounder. I come home and I’m not. I’m tired in a different way, but it’s not a rewarding way. I really accomplished something and that doesn’t seem to feed. But if you work really hard and then rest well and and you’re intentional about that and you come back and do it all over again and that’s it, I think it’s just more rewarding to be there.

00;45;36;04 – 00;45;59;11

Jon

Spot No, absolutely. I can’t help but think I had a conversation about fitness. I mean, I’m not just going out with a buddy and we’re talking about the difference. This principle, there’s like early morning where time is early in the morning and I was doing something and they just said, Why don’t you just see the backs now? I’m sorry, it’s late at night.

00;45;59;11 – 00;46;34;07

Jon

And it was based on the you know, we had a conversation about, oh, I change of my activity so I realize I can put in like 18, 20 hours a day, you know, 16, 20 hours a day of productive life giving effort. If I’m switching up my activities, I feel restful, you know? And we had the conversation and it’s like, well, so me he brought up the point that so many people are used to being connected to their phones, that you can feel there’s a sense of anxiety if you’re hooked into it, if you’re not on social media or something.

00;46;34;07 – 00;46;51;26

Jon

I was just saying that the thing we talked about in trying to kind of break away from it was, Hey, just when you go to the bathroom, it’s double vision. Just try it. Just try that. Right. Just a few minutes that you’re in there when I bet you I’m sure.

00;46;51;26 – 00;46;52;18

Aaron

But to just.

00;46;52;28 – 00;47;01;26

Jon

Just give yourself that moment, to just be by yourself in any capacity. And maybe that’s the first maybe set out another question to.

00;47;01;26 – 00;47;05;04

Aaron

Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, I like that. He loved it. Yeah.

00;47;05;17 – 00;47;23;06

Jon

He said it was the most awkward experience the first couple of times and then he realized how much he was so into this thing. And it became addictive to take back time. Huh? For the minus. So it’s kind of a fun thing. I just remember. I like.

00;47;23;06 – 00;47;43;21

Aaron

That. It’s like that. It’s because your mind, you don’t realize that even even in that moment when you’re supposed to rest and accomplish anything, it’s just to be in there actively doing something, listening to that. Yes. And not even give yourself a break in that way. You always are trying to engage. So I had this one, this one example.

00;47;43;21 – 00;48;11;25

Aaron

I am sure I just thought of that. There’s a real famous Alaskan dog dog sled race in Alaska. I think it’s called a dinner ride and it’s been around for a long, long time. And they they used to for the longest time, there was a record that was held by the one of the dog runners. And this there was a person who had a dog sled team that changed up the game.

00;48;11;26 – 00;48;30;07

Aaron

And it’s been now it’s been changed forever because of this guy and what he did instead of driving the dogs as hard as they could every single day, he intentionally found the place where they needed to rest. And he would rest way more than all the other dog sled racers. And he found that his dogs were more efficient every day.

00;48;30;07 – 00;48;51;00

Aaron

And that’s because this is a long this is several week race. And he and he beat the record by days, not just hours by doing this. And he he found the secret to restaurant cycles. And this is this is what we’re challenging here. It’s like run hard, but we don’t discount the fact that that was the rest is all part of it.

00;48;51;12 – 00;49;36;14

Aaron

And those who rest well run harder, rest, rest will run better. And and having that in tandem is is healthier and is, frankly, more effective. Mm hmm. So this is this is what we’re really talking about. And this is why in the article, this is just a quote, It rejuvenation cannot be found in moving from one climate controlled box to another and just going from one exact version of of mental mental exercise to doing something that’s very similar but different versus asking yourself, hey, what can I do that’s actually just not related to this at all?

00;49;37;05 – 00;49;58;14

Aaron

I, I love the lock as well, because where I live, you don’t get service, so I really can be connected and really how you use your phone. Yeah, but I know on that walk there’s no one going to bother me and it’s amazing. I when I disconnect for a minute, it’s amazing how the rest comes accidentally. So this is.

00;49;58;19 – 00;49;59;25

Aaron

This is what we’re challenging.

00;50;00;15 – 00;50;27;27

Jon

Yeah. For ourselves. And obviously I completely agree. And I had a fun addition to that and it’s completely escaped me. So I think that well, one thing that’s funny about this, the fun is even some of our guests kind of like, look at us when our can. Let’s put our phones in airplane and we can put it on the shelf here that we’re making sure there’s no distractions, you know, get onto the podcast and have a few of them just like real quick micro-expressions.

00;50;28;07 – 00;50;36;15

Jon

But classically what you want me to what if I can sit next? You okay? Yeah, that’s right.

00;50;37;07 – 00;50;42;21

Aaron

Yeah, it’s. Yeah, it’s like a total intervention in the moments. Like going to.

00;50;43;08 – 00;50;49;13

Jon

Maybe separate phones and that are managing. Don’t worry, we are. Our goal is to keep you engaged.

00;50;50;02 – 00;50;54;22

Aaron

So we get to talk to real people. And he’s like.

00;50;55;03 – 00;51;01;25

Jon

Well, fine, let’s see anything. I feel like we fleshes out. But again, that’s good.

00;51;01;26 – 00;51;24;20

Aaron

That’s good conversation. And I’m personally challenged. Like how? How are we resting? And I just got back from a little vacation myself and everything I did was not what I do in the office, and that’s how it works. I came back doing that with my kids. It’s like it’s it’s different. Like I can be happy about the fact that I ran around with my kids.

00;51;24;20 – 00;51;44;18

Aaron

And so these are you can’t go. You can’t be rested and you have a family. It’s like, Well, thanks. I don’t think that’s true. I think you’re doing the wrong activities. Yeah, there’s a way. I mean, you could be true. You could be fatigued in some ways. But think about something that could be like you need to do together with your kids, with your family, with your spouse, especially.

00;51;44;18 – 00;51;55;22

Aaron

Think about that in the marriage. Like where does that intersection you guys can have together that doesn’t does it? Fatigue you and this is not something you’re always already doing a ton of do something different together.

00;51;55;28 – 00;52;17;11

Jon

So it’s a deal. I’m going to call myself out as I, I up taking vacations. Everybody was at the same time you it and I left it feeling pretty dang petite. In fact, I’m still feeling like I’m recovering from and it’s because I took the vacation in the way that historically I would when I was like a soldier.

00;52;17;11 – 00;52;47;14

Jon

And yet, you know, with it just in my younger, I just needed less experience and foolish muscle right for myself and reflection. And I had an amazing time with that. And I look forward to the next step. That is not what I just want to be very clear. Right. Right. But what I realized was I basically just grilled food, had conversation and drank for the time, which those are great portions of a vacation.

00;52;47;14 – 00;53;18;17

Jon

Right. I was terrible at being in control of my kids. As terrible as I was, I it was a rare opportunity for me to have to embrace that, you know, type of scenario. And one of the takeaways that I have, I will not have another period of rest with a friend or anyone again, in which I’m not engaging intentionally in these the better forms of restful activity as my kids deserve it for me.

00;53;18;26 – 00;53;42;24

Jon

My wife certainly deserves it for me. And frankly, my friend and I, he deserves it for me and I deserve for myself. And if I had done that better, I would be way more rested, rejuvenated and continue forward right now than recovery. And pushing forward in this fight. And I look forward to the next time they come. I don’t know what they’ll look like, but I’m sure we’ll make some day trips and do some fishing and stuff with the kids or whatever.

00;53;43;04 – 00;53;58;15

Jon

But good opportunity, just self awareness, right? Okay. Yeah, I really do that. Yep. I’m not going to box again and I’m held accountable by you. And because you’ll never take time off and have a bunch of people who know me pretty well and to listen to this man as well. So this works.

00;53;58;24 – 00;54;18;12

Aaron

I love it. That’s and that’s all. Everyone of us is intentional with. You can slip away real easily and there are fun things that you can be some things that are like stealing things if is giving it too much time so that for being honest about them and like somebody I know, there’s like tons of people that I’m not the only one.

00;54;18;17 – 00;54;24;09

Jon

But then there’s a rest that are like, How do we use our net resources? And you must remember, you have to.

00;54;26;15 – 00;54;37;03

Aaron

Use a we’re honest on this now. We’re attacking personal things as well. AS Yeah, as well as encouraging others.

00;54;37;03 – 00;54;53;00

Jon

So I remember we joke because one of the reasons we love doing this is because the value of the conversation personal. Yeah. Yes. So yeah. And I should be wrong with it. And you know, as we’re, as we’re closing, I just can’t help but think once again how grateful I am and how excited I am that this is episode ten.

00;54;53;22 – 00;54;58;11

Jon

And at episode ten, we’re choosing to double down to go to weekly.

00;54;58;15 – 00;55;21;24

Aaron

Yes. How fun is that? Oh, I love I love that. I think we’re going to I’m glad we’re talking about restaurants. Yeah. You know, because we’re not saying things are doing right. But it’s it’s just it’s so important. It has to be able to keep having these conversations. So I’m glad. Good, good. Three nation out there. We’re so glad you guys are along for the ride And I love to hear your comments.

00;55;22;00 – 00;55;29;18

Aaron

You can come in we please we love it and push back on mean you got some ideas okay well we might end up in another podcast.

00;55;30;12 – 00;55;33;13

Jon

Yeah. If you want to hear something or you want to be on with us.

00;55;34;16 – 00;55;36;18

Aaron

Yeah, it’s a not so.

00;55;36;18 – 00;55;39;14

Jon

Many tell you now, but yeah.

00;55;39;14 – 00;55;54;24

Aaron

Sorry. May me make it very uncomfortable. Well, John, thanks. Thanks for another great podcast you guys. We, we just, we’re just encouraging all of you out there to read this article. Think about how you rest so you run well.