EXPLORING THE TOOLS THAT UNLEASH HUMAN POTENTIAL
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08;06;33;10 – 08;06;27;16
Aaron
Hello, ladies and gents, welcome to another episode of The Grit Theory. We are so glad you found us today.
08;06;27;04 – 08;06;16;14
Jon
This is Jon Mayo with Aaron Robinson, and we are thrilled that you are joining us as we explore how challenging and adversity can be changed into opportunity.
08;06;16;14 – 08;06;10;18
Aaron
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08;06;10;04 – 08;06;06;15
Jon
So without further ado, let’s jump right in to another episode of the grit theory.
08;05;58;17 – 08;05;43;11
Aaron
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Grid Theory podcast, my name is Aaron Robinson, your host with Jon Mayo. We are a podcast that is just starting is our first inaugural run. So we’re playing with equipment here. Give us grace.
08;05;42;02 – 08;05;14;19
Aaron
We are a podcast that it really explores the grit in each and every one story. Grit is a is an attitude of by which we attack problems. We seek to find those stories, derive meaning from them and apply those apply those philosophies and lessons into our own lives.
08;05;14;19 – 08;04;58;11
Aaron
So being our number one, we thought we’d make ourselves the guinea pigs today. And so, Jon, I wanted to just play with your head for for the next little bit and talk about great, you know, anything about that?
08;04;57;22 – 08;04;52;16
Jon
Well, it’s fun because that means I’m just the first in the sheep, right? I’m the first person that we get a torment.
08;04;51;15 – 08;04;50;29
Aaron
That’s right.
08;04;50;25 – 08;04;31;01
Jon
No, I’m I’m beyond thrilled for United. Begin this adventure of this podcast together and and I think the joy that’s going to come from this, like the the real value, is by showing that there’s no success without hard work discipline and an indomitable spirit.
08;04;30;23 – 08;04;30;14
Jon
Right?
08;04;30;05 – 08;04;17;28
Aaron
Yeah, we are. We should we should kind of like give the genesis for the simple little bit, right? So I think so. So, you know, Jon and I are good friends, but more than that, we torment each other.
08;04;17;28 – 08;03;57;05
Aaron
We’ve torment each other in our freezing garage gym. You know, we start very early in the morning before we start, but we have day jobs. We have large families. We have a lot going on. And really, frankly, a lot of excuses not to do a podcast, not to get up and do work and those kind of things
08;03;56;20 – 08;03;38;12
Aaron
. So we need those constant motivations like we’re almost talking ourselves out of being lazy every day. I feel like in the gym, like giving us like anti excuses for why is it that we’re subjecting ourselves to uncomfortable things all the time and beyond?
08;03;38;12 – 08;03;23;24
Aaron
It’s not just, you know, working out in the gym, and nobody really loves working out until you do it enough and you start to see the value of it. But also inside of that, I feel like we’re kind of thinking beyond is like, well, what?
08;03;23;16 – 08;03;14;23
Aaron
This informs other areas of our life, and I feel like we’ve had some pretty incredible discussions off air that I wish we would have captured.
08;03;14;14 – 08;02;58;20
Jon
Yeah, I I think the workout is for the physical benefits, maybe 20% of the pie, right? Like when you and I are going out chasing that one degree because it’s one degree Fahrenheit, right? Like real, real temperature. And we’re like, Let’s go find that sucker.
08;02;58;18 – 08;02;41;09
Jon
You know, like, there’s nothing truly great about that physically but mentally in relationally, it’s powerful. And I think that what we do when we get a workout together of when we get to do ventures like this together is we’re gaining territory on excuses.
08;02;41;04 – 08;02;24;14
Jon
Right, we’re taking. A year ago, working out was not really an option and now working out consistently. In addition to working out consistently together, we’re having conversations that have led to us doing this podcast. And you mentioned Grace earlier.
08;02;24;14 – 08;02;16;00
Jon
Yeah, we’re going to need that. We’re figuring out. It took us like an hour and a half to figure out how to put these mics in the headphones. So I can’t wait to see what Episode 100 looks like.
08;02;16;00 – 08;02;03;10
Jon
We were like set up. Good to go. But to your point, we’re not just building our bodies and hurting each other in the gym. That’s that’s such a small piece of it. What we’re doing is we’re calling out higher ideals for ourselves and one another, right?
08;02;03;07 – 08;01;44;27
Jon
And that is what’s motivating us to say, Hey, let’s sacrifice a hours on Saturday. Star podcast. Let’s pursue the big projects, the business ventures and the excellence in our fields and industries. How are we better husbands, fathers, friends, you know?
08;01;44;21 – 08;01;28;11
Aaron
Yeah, yeah. Jon Hamm, if I may this last year, I feel like put everybody in this test tube, you know, like, you know, we’re coming out of 2019, the COVID, all the stuff and COVID was this great excuse to be lazy.
08;01;27;26 – 08;01;07;08
Aaron
You know, it’s like we talk about the COVID 19. I gained all this weight. I’ve been lazier and bingeing shows, but you kind of doing all the I think the things that we do that are lazy mind takes us to and because it’s been social, it’s become a norm, you know, for a year, it’s like, it’s OK
08;01;07;08 – 08;01;02;08
Aaron
. You can stay home, you’re not allowed, you can’t go. It’s code red anyway. You can’t go anywhere. It’s OK if you’re home and stay.
08;01;02;08 – 08;01;01;18
Jon
In your sweats.
08;01;01;14 – 08;01;00;26
Aaron
Stay in the.
08;01;00;26 – 08;00;46;11
Jon
Cheetahs. Yeah, watch. Netflix. Well, it’s funny because there’s two mentalities right in, yeah, and this is something that I hold central to, my belief is you can choose to be a victim or you can choose to have a hand in the equation yourself.
08;00;46;10 – 08;00;36;18
Jon
Right, the cards you’re dealt. And the same to a fact check 2020 COVID 19. You mentioned 2019. So there’s someone out there.
08;00;36;17 – 08;00;35;22
Aaron
Did I say 19?
08;00;35;22 – 08;00;32;20
Jon
You say 2019? Wow. And then you said COVID 19 so made sense.
08;00;32;17 – 08;00;30;24
Aaron
Oh OK. Yes, I gotcha.
08;00;30;23 – 08;00;26;27
Jon
There’s a dweeb somewhere who’s like salivating over that. So we have each other’s backs.
08;00;26;21 – 08;00;24;13
Aaron
But okay, I’ll have that later. Yeah.
08;00;23;25 – 08;00;07;28
Jon
We just we’ll pull that out. But no. Absolutely. There’s two things, and one of the things I realized is there’s those who run towards fired away from it, right? There’s one. He used a bad situation as an excuse in those who use it as an opportunity.
08;00;07;16 – 09;59;51;12
Jon
2020 was one of the greatest opportunities. You know, personally, I moved cross-country again to took on a better role and position professionally started a business, started to couple other ventures. This to be one of them conceptually for us, right?
09;59;51;04 – 09;59;35;00
Jon
It’s coming to fruition in 2021. And. That’s all mindset shift that anyone’s capable of doing. That’s great. Right? Oh, this stinks. I just got cancer. Oh, just lost my relationships with someone I love. Someone I care for just died, just got injured, just lost my job.
09;59;34;10 – 09;59;32;10
Jon
Those are all opportunities, right?
09;59;31;02 – 09;59;17;10
Aaron
All right, Brooke. That doesn’t sound like the normal. The logical pathway, a a relationship that’s breaking a job loss is an opportunity why?
09;59;15;17 – 09;58;59;18
Jon
So I think this is part of a mindset that you develop, right? So Victor Frankl, who was a Jewish doctor from World War two era, survived Nazi internment camps and things like that. He has a lot of beautiful things just on the human will and spirit.
09;58;58;29 – 09;58;44;04
Jon
one of his quotes is that between every stimulus and reaction is a gap. There is a loose quote, but and within that gap is the power and freedom of choice. Right? And you can you can pull on that thread to Jocko Willink.
09;58;43;28 – 09;58;31;16
Jon
Extreme ownership 95% of everything that happens to you is within your control. All right. Your response is within your control for cancer. You choose your response. You wallow and die. Or you live and fight till you die. Right?
09;58;31;11 – 09;58;15;16
Jon
But you get to choose how you’re going to live and respond. And to me, it’s that mindset shift. So I agree with you. It’s it may not be what most people consider normal, but I’d much rather live in the driver’s seat of my life of saying, Hey, this terrible thing just happened.
09;58;15;16 – 09;58;03;06
Jon
That’s an opportunity. Why? Because maybe I was stuck in a position that was unhealthy, and I didn’t have the strength of the foresight to get out of it. But now I’m in this opportunity to be in a much healthier place that can be much more productive and add value to my fellow man and myself.
09;58;03;04 – 09;57;57;05
Jon
Right? You know, I don’t have that vision right now, but a few months from now, if I’d used time, well, I may see that right.
09;57;56;18 – 09;57;36;14
Aaron
We’d like to develop that too, because there is a shift. It’s it doesn’t have to be for the rest of your life. Like, I have to turn on this muscle of grit or discipline. It’s something that can be learned if done consistently.
09;57;35;15 – 09;57;17;09
Aaron
Just like eating cheese on the couch or, you know, whatever and guilty pleasure, we’ve given too much time to too much attention, too. For too long a time in 2020, so many people are guilty of that. And so they’re so right now, they’re going there.
09;57;17;05 – 09;57;06;25
Aaron
We’re all kind of hungry for. Yeah, I I suspect this is not OK to continue this way. Whatever those things are, when.
09;57;06;24 – 09;56;43;14
Jon
Even more, if it creates community, which to the 2020 peace. one thing that’s so damaging about 2020, in my opinion, is the isolation, right? Isolation has been devastating and and frankly, I’ve lost or allowed to drift, not personal pursuit, a lot of relationships, which is another topic, and it shows into very intentionally invest in less than five
09;56;43;02 – 09;56;17;27
Jon
relationships outside of my family. And that has been painful. A harsh adjustment 2020. Both force was a forcing function for that and helped facilitate that. But the fruit of it is now I have. Essentially, distraction free, high value relationships that are born of love and care for one another, right?
09;56;17;21 – 09;56;02;04
Jon
I remove the noise of the distractions of the people who we just weren’t good for each other mutually. It’s not like I’m on some pedestal, like we weren’t a good match, but we’re making it work from whatever nostalgia and that kind of goes into the 2020 excuses.
09;56;01;17 – 09;56;01;07
Jon
Right?
09;56;00;08 – 09;55;47;14
Aaron
Let’s quantify a couple of things, Jon, because I’m just thinking somebody is listening and then maybe they just want really actionable things or maybe something to inspire them today. So. So you’ve mentioned a couple of things. So friendships.
09;55;47;07 – 09;55;27;29
Aaron
So one friendships. Why did you pick those five or whatever? You know what? What made it that important? And then also talk to me about some of the disciplines that you’ve really focused on this year, because I know you have done some things that are new to you, even like that pushed even you as an individual.
09;55;27;14 – 09;55;11;20
Aaron
And, you know, maybe Cameron Hayes, you know, who runs a marathon every day may not be impressed. But Jon from two years ago would be right. Like, we’re fighting our own battle here, like beat you and you’ve done that.
09;55;11;15 – 09;55;06;13
Aaron
So give me give me a couple of those things that you’ve really pressed into that I took some grit.
09;55;06;02 – 09;54;55;04
Jon
Guess to start with earlier you were saying, you know, it’s not something you’re always willing to apply. It’s a unique skill set, right? If you can change the oil in your car, you change your own car, you need to, right?
09;54;55;03 – 09;54;38;23
Jon
But you know how. So I think that grit or tenacity choosing to not yield to pressure right is just as important as any of the other skill sets you develop emotionally. Right? When the storm comes, can you survive it right?
09;54;38;16 – 09;54;21;21
Jon
It’s not always stormy. The storms may be changing variety, right? But that too. To that point, I agree. And we’ve had a lot of discussion on that, right? It’s like, Well, why do we want to run in one degree and then hit a gym where we need gloves to not get frostbite because I’m not, well, mental?
09;54;20;25 – 09;54;04;28
Jon
That’s the first thing. I’m not well. But the second thing is when you start your day like that, any challenge we face during the day is already put in the proper context, right? It’s like just when you go through or live a life where your job puts you in harm’s way and you can lose your life for
09;54;04;28 – 09;53;50;04
Jon
your friends or experienced significant harm. And then you’re dealing with, you know, human resources or interpersonal issues like this is peanuts, right? I’m going to go home unless I get hit by bus tonight to my family. You know, nothing my job is going to put me at risk of death.
09;53;49;22 – 09;53;36;09
Jon
And so to me, it’s the perspective that comes with great. And to answer your question. Friendships and disciplines. This last year, I stopped the friendships piece. I didn’t really select either idea of who I was going to continue journeying with tightly, right?
09;53;34;22 – 09;53;22;23
Jon
By just not clinging. I stopped the fostering of really reaching out intentionally. I have a habit of I kind of have a system where people whom I like to keep in contact with, I don’t go more than two to three weeks without contacting them.
09;53;22;14 – 09;53;16;09
Jon
And I’ve just built this habit, and I just stopped doing that with everyone and watched what happened.
09;53;15;25 – 09;53;13;05
Aaron
And kind of stopped watering the lawn as it were, right?
09;53;13;05 – 09;52;58;10
Jon
I stopped watching the lawn and I saw I saw what survived. What? Yeah, I wasn’t just artificially keeping alive, right? And whoever kept it going, I returned fully right. Probably a bit more. And that’s through that process of the year.
09;52;58;02 – 09;52;49;25
Jon
People continuously dropped off and dropped off and dropped off. And now it’s like I said, so well, in fact, that’s probably three people outside of my family.
09;52;49;19 – 09;52;32;21
Aaron
Yeah. So I mean, going into 2021 is, I mean, that’s gold right there. Like, you know, if we are self-assess, who are the real friends like maybe defining friendship, and it sounds like one of the defining characteristics is it continues to grow even if I don’t water it all the time.
09;52;32;07 – 09;52;16;28
Aaron
And and so all of us have like that great friend we’ve had years ago, and we pick up the phone and it’s like it is the same, which is separate. Yeah, right. Yeah, that’s that’s a different set of friends, but it’s big because it’s already gotten to that status.
09;52;16;28 – 09;52;03;03
Aaron
It kind of always will be, you know, but you’ve you’ve you’ve chosen intentional friendships now with those same that same characteristic. It’s got to be something that is life giving continually.
09;52;03;03 – 09;51;46;20
Jon
Yet just to use the lawn analogy, it’s more like we have a shared lawn. Who else shows up to water it? Oh, OK, right? Because it’s like, I’m going to. I just needed to be somewhat of a two sided effort, right to see that the values they’re.
09;51;46;19 – 09;51;45;28
Aaron
Both working at.
09;51;45;28 – 09;51;28;05
Jon
Yeah, it’s we’re both working. And what’s interesting is, honestly, I think a lot of people have inadvertently experienced this through 2020 and through the isolation. Who stuck around with you? Yeah, right. And there’s probably some pretty clear indications on on the wall of who your true friends are to some capacity.
09;51;27;08 – 09;51;25;25
Jon
More clearly than in 2019.
09;51;25;24 – 09;51;14;11
Aaron
OK. And I see that we’re I’m going until I get potential deep dives. Well, let’s come back to that in another. Show, but so we got friendship. Give me another thing if yeah. Kind of focused on.
09;51;14;11 – 09;50;57;21
Jon
I think the the disciplines this last year have been evolving. Yes. So some of the decisions have really focused on, well, I’m my partner in our starting business, but our solutions limited, pretty excited about our first product should be coming available to the public in a few months.
09;50;57;21 – 09;50;42;16
Jon
So we’ll probably talk about that when we get there. But that sparked a lot of change. I was working on a book before that, and this is just a short back story to lead up to this, right? So working on a book for years, you and I actually started that effort just over three years ago, three years
09;50;42;16 – 09;50;25;27
Jon
and five months, and it’s ongoing for both of us. So we have work to do. But I realized I could put into action the things I wanted to write about at that time and started this business have been working on it every single day, so it’s not a day missed.
09;50;25;15 – 09;50;09;06
Jon
And that consistency started to fuel other aspects of my life. Right? So I was going to step one, a big step one and then step two as far as like going from good to great on discipline because I think I was fairly consistent before on pursuing goals and things like that.
09;50;08;12 – 09;49;56;28
Jon
But I started doing daily challenges with fitness. I’ve realized I’ve been really hurting from training sessions and stuff in ways that are it’s like this is not going to be good 20 years from now. I was training three to five times a week.
09;49;56;27 – 09;49;45;19
Jon
It wasn’t enough, so I made up a couple of 21 day challenges. You know, the first one just deadlift it every day. The second one I deadlift over it pressed and ran a five k every day. And now Monday 32.
09;49;45;19 – 09;49;29;09
Jon
I think of a 100 day challenge with a five K run and 10,000 plus pounds lifted per day minimum. And the reason I keep doing that goes back to you and I workout. It’s not the workout that does it for me.
09;49;29;08 – 09;49;13;19
Jon
Like, I got three hours of sleep last night. I had a meeting for sure. Solutions start at 10:00 p.m. because my partners in Germany, it went until two. 30 5:00 a.m. I went to bed about 50 years ago, like seven or something, just like three hours and change, and I hit the road running.
09;49;13;19 – 09;49;11;09
Jon
I was miserable. I felt broken this morning, but.
09;49;10;26 – 09;49;08;15
Aaron
And it’s like windy and cold.
09;49;08;06 – 09;49;07;09
Jon
Just yeah.
09;49;07;07 – 09;49;05;25
Aaron
Just to point that out.
09;49;05;25 – 09;48;51;25
Jon
Comparatively, 34 degrees feels warm, but it was windy. But but the the value of it doesn’t come from the fact I run this morning. I’d much rather take it off, but mentally it prepped us. Prep me for this conversation.
09;48;51;15 – 09;48;38;20
Jon
You know, it shaped my day of, Hey, I’m going to show up. Do I really need to do for ventures? Do I need you for my family? And do I need you, period? And that’s where the value of no matter what I’m feeling, I’m going to show up and do it.
09;48;38;10 – 09;48;29;26
Jon
And it starts with that very primal urge not to go into the cold and dark in the morning, but to do it anyways, right? You know.
09;48;29;16 – 09;48;12;15
Aaron
What is it? Where does that come from? I mean, it’s sideways snow outside. You know, it’s it’s, you know, it’s going to be uncomfortable, even relatively because even if you’ve had a cold day like this is exceptionally cold, this will push even my limits.
09;48;12;09 – 09;48;06;26
Aaron
Yeah, what? What’s? Pushing you past that barrier.
09;48;04;25 – 09;47;54;02
Jon
So I think that there’s an evolution of thought that gets you there, right? And initially, I think it’s just that I’m not good like I need to prove to myself, I’m not going to quit. I can do this.
09;47;53;17 – 09;47;41;28
Jon
You know, at this point, for me, when I look outside, it’s in the negatives and there’s 20 mile per hour winds, and I know that I need to wrap my face or I’ll get frostbite and it’s going to be brutal.
09;47;40;20 – 09;47;23;29
Jon
It’s almost more of rebellion at this point. Yeah, it’s like. I’m going to go out and do this. Because I know that those people who drive by during this are going to think I’m not well and I can prove to myself that nothing’s going to stop me.
09;47;22;04 – 09;47;08;21
Aaron
Although Jon calls me up and he tells me, Hey, someone stopped today and he was excited about it, like someone stopped because they were genuinely concerned he was in trouble. He’s running, he’s running in in the countryside, miles away from home.
09;47;08;00 – 09;46;56;05
Aaron
And in those scenarios that probably would have been merited like this guy’s probably in order. But you chose to do this like the darkness was that way and you chose to go into it.
09;46;55;27 – 09;46;41;20
Jon
Yeah. And you know, it’s not a unique thing I’ve created, right? I’m just following in the path of I’m staying on the shoulders of giants. Yeah, and people who have like pioneered the consistent discipline wins the way and do something hard every day.
09;46;41;17 – 09;46;41;04
Jon
You know.
09;46;41;02 – 09;46;29;00
Aaron
Joe, you know what? You know, I love Jon, too about this story is that it’s a fresh one. Like, you know, I’m just thinking of someone coming in and hopefully this isn’t you, but you’re going. I could do that.
09;46;29;00 – 09;46;16;04
Aaron
I’ve done that many times. But is your story old? Like, are you talking about? Are you describing, you know, the pins on your varsity jacket from ten years ago? Or is it is it.
09;46;16;04 – 09;46;15;00
Jon
Like your dad bod?
09;46;14;29 – 09;46;05;20
Aaron
Yeah. You know, I used to do this and that. And, you know, if I’m Kate, generally it’s it’s pretty cool. I it’s good, but it’s not like.
09;46;05;20 – 09;46;04;21
Jon
It sounds sexy.
09;46;04;21 – 09;45;56;28
Aaron
Doesn’t it? It’s it’s it’s it’s pretty cool. I mean, a lot of people will be impressed. Has been a lot of people. Would they like to run marathons? And I kind of like three.
09;45;56;28 – 09;45;55;11
Jon
Miles, loser. Yeah.
09;45;54;29 – 09;45;35;06
Aaron
But you’re doing you’re doing something that’s difficult. And it’s and it’s every day without stop. Right? That that, I think is the real challenge. It’s not the thing you’re doing that one day like you’re some shooting star. You’re not giving yourself an out for 21 day now, 100 day period, right?
09;45;34;14 – 09;45;32;29
Aaron
That’s different mentally.
09;45;32;20 – 09;45;17;22
Jon
Yeah. And that is the game here. Like, what is the prize at the end of 100 days? Yeah. Why do that right? It’s not to. It does sound cool to say, Oh, 500 K ran right over 30 miles and over £1,000,000 lifted.
09;45;17;17 – 09;44;58;10
Jon
Like, that’s neat. No one cares. The gift is that the treasure at the end of this journey is the consistency for 100 days. It didn’t matter that. second, it married those injured. It didn’t matter that it was terrible outside like atrocious weather with warning signs.
09;44;57;28 – 09;44;52;24
Jon
Nothing stopped me from showing up and pursuing that, which I needed to do.
09;44;52;24 – 09;44;52;16
Aaron
Yep.
09;44;52;02 – 09;44;51;13
Jon
That’s a gift.
09;44;51;01 – 09;44;32;18
Aaron
It it’s it’s the it’s kind of the righteous side of the fact like because I think of, you know, the evil side of effect is, you know, cash, I’m fat, I’m out of shape. Well, that was you doing the same thing every single day, right?
09;44;32;16 – 09;44;32;06
Aaron
That’s all.
09;44;32;04 – 09;44;31;05
Jon
That’s consistency.
09;44;31;04 – 09;44;20;23
Aaron
You just you’re just a product of consistency. Like, let’s not be surprised when we wake up and all of a sudden we don’t like what we see or how we think. Even like, why do I always go this way?
09;44;20;22 – 09;44;05;14
Jon
Well, even worse, it’s unintentional consistency, which is a huge part I think of, right? It’s intentionality. To demonstrate endowment ability, you must choose to. Yes, when you’re punched in the face by life, you have to choose how you’re going to respond.
09;44;03;15 – 09;43;48;14
Jon
To go out in the morning is a choice. So it really the genesis. The start of all of this is I’m going to choose to show up and take everything I can to make the world better and to make my life better and to be present.
09;43;48;07 – 09;43;35;29
Jon
Yeah, that and that’s even in my mind before any of it. Everything we’re talking about, we’ve intentionally woken up to and chosen. Yet sure, we didn’t accidentally get here.
09;43;35;19 – 09;43;18;16
Aaron
No, not at all. You know, you didn’t intentionally get here and you’re not victim going forward either. And I say things, things not to say to Jon Mayer, you go, I don’t have time for that. I don’t like that.
09;43;17;28 – 09;43;02;25
Aaron
It’s not like that phrase. An odd time for that. Don’t say, Well, if I had your situation, I would do that. Don’t say that to Jon, either. OK. Got a fan? Yeah, no. No, that’s too hard.
09;43;01;17 – 09;42;58;28
Jon
I don’t think that’s a conversation ender. Yeah.
09;42;58;05 – 09;42;45;21
Aaron
Yeah, or, you know, my blank hurts, you know, he doesn’t care, you know, it’s a sad time, Jon. And the reason why is because I don’t think you want that voice to prevail in your own head.
09;42;44;15 – 09;42;34;01
Jon
Yeah, it’s part of the filtration process, right, actually, a friend today reached out with a business opportunity and I touched on them and he’s like, Oh, I know it’s a huge time commitment. I was like, Yeah, it’s not a matter of me not having time.
09;42;34;00 – 09;42;19;10
Jon
It’s a matter that I choose not to reprioritize any of my time to do this right now because it’s not in line with X, Y and Z, right? And we had a really good conversation through. It was, I hope, really encouraging for him.
09;42;19;09 – 09;42;07;22
Jon
I’d love to partner with him in the future when it makes sense. But right now, it didn’t fit in line with the trajectory I’m working towards. You know, you, you are.
09;42;06;20 – 09;42;00;10
Aaron
You’re an intentional person. I think that’s the filter. You hear everything through.
09;41;59;16 – 09;41;58;26
Jon
Its choice.
09;41;58;26 – 09;41;55;29
Aaron
Is this is this lining up is what I’m trying to accomplish right.
09;41;55;29 – 09;41;44;09
Jon
Now. Yeah, it’s not even a matter of strength. They’re like, you could have fun with this big, dopey week, you know, but it’s not that it’s like, I don’t have time would say quite too. I don’t want to reprioritize time to do that.
09;41;44;07 – 09;41;27;05
Jon
Right, right. That’s too hard. Well, let’s explore that and figure out where we can find our starting place. I don’t remember your other, your other of the three that you said, Oh, this hurts. Well, let’s scale what we’re doing then to help us recover through it.
09;41;27;03 – 09;41;19;19
Jon
Right? It’s not, Oh, let’s do the same thing and break ourselves. It’s OK. That hurts. Good to know. Let’s change our plan. Yep. Adapt and overcome.
09;41;19;06 – 09;41;07;06
Aaron
Yeah, we’re in the gym. And by the way, this is in the gym. You don’t brag in the gym, you’re in the gym because you workout and you get it. You need you stronger, right? And so what I do?
09;41;06;21 – 09;40;58;27
Aaron
So I let different weight than you. But the expectations are the same. We both have to have the same amount of effort. Yeah.
09;40;58;13 – 09;40;56;15
Jon
That proportional effort is right.
09;40;56;10 – 09;40;38;28
Aaron
Jon, this would I lift in certain things? He’s not working hard, right? So he needs to know where he’s at the bar he’s trying to hit and everybody listening right now has a bar like your consistent behavior may be that you got to set the alarm for six, 30 every morning or whatever that is.
09;40;38;22 – 09;40;32;22
Aaron
And because you’ve been sleeping until nine, you know that’s what you got to start working on, you know?
09;40;32;14 – 09;40;30;29
Jon
Yeah, if that’s your starting place, absolutely.
09;40;30;20 – 09;40;18;06
Aaron
And that’s there’s there’s no shame in that. Like, that’s, you know, that’s not a struggle for a lot of people in other way, passer, but it’s it’s something that builds on the next thing that does on the next thing, right?
09;40;17;22 – 09;39;52;18
Jon
one, I think it starts with. Pursuing your ideal right, we are at least me as a person, I will pursue something I want with ten times the effort of anything else. Yep. So being very careful to define what I want and to put it in terms I cannot negotiate past is probably one of the greatest common denominators
09;39;52;18 – 09;39;27;14
Jon
on showing discipline or focus elsewhere. Right? I love. I love adult beverages. Tasty beverages, right? I enjoy them. I am continuously reassessing my relationship with them in relationship to what I want to accomplish because there’s things I want to do that are so much more valuable to me than having a relaxed day with some beverages.
09;39;27;12 – 09;39;08;04
Jon
Right, right. So I’m very intentional when I allow it and I have four little humans, right, who are going into a contested and crazy world after me. And I only have so much time to affect as much positive change as I can to continue to help us all out.
09;39;08;00 – 09;39;07;18
Jon
You know.
09;39;06;22 – 09;38;55;06
Aaron
Today and then you’re because, you know, we will have caricatures of our own dad even growing up and we didn’t pick up every single thing they did. But you know, we did see them. We watched them right? It’s like my dad was.
09;38;55;06 – 09;38;41;06
Aaron
Maybe for some of us, my my dad, he just sat on the couch. Did you know that? And that was his contribution to your, you know, your raising your child rearing years for him was kind of I just showed my kids.
09;38;41;06 – 09;38;28;21
Aaron
I was the boss. I, you know, I made money and that was the contribution that the maybe it’s like really selfless hustling. I mean, they’re watching, they’re watching, like how they exercise, they’re watching, how I talk to my wife.
09;38;28;14 – 09;38;27;21
Jon
They’re watching everything.
09;38;27;09 – 09;38;19;10
Aaron
They’re watching, how I get up in the morning, they they’re watching. If I’m getting fired from my job all the time, I mean, there’s there’s things that should affect us that we need to fight for.
09;38;18;29 – 09;38;13;11
Jon
Yeah. And in two things on that, yeah, because two things really scream at me right off the front. If you had a dad.
09;38;12;23 – 09;38;12;01
Aaron
Right, right.
09;38;11;28 – 09;38;00;16
Jon
Whether they were in the house or not injured like they were in the house and not present or they weren’t there, you know, for whatever reason that that the lessons you learn from that person before you still are sought out.
09;38;00;15 – 09;38;00;07
Aaron
Yeah.
09;37;59;10 – 09;37;41;22
Jon
But to me, what that really is is a call. It’s a beckoning force of how are you going to change the present future? Right? Because regardless of what, how positive, how negative, how absent the past. It doesn’t change the decision you have that I have, you know, that anyone has.
09;37;41;21 – 09;37;26;08
Jon
It’s if you have a child and you’re not investing in that child and you’re not shaping your life around helping to develop that child and you’re not making yourself better so that they have a role model. Shame on you.
09;37;26;03 – 09;37;25;15
Aaron
That’s right.
09;37;25;04 – 09;37;10;11
Jon
Shame on you. Right. Give me I’d love to feel the excuses for dads who are not in the picture or who are not involved in and to. I know that it’s your child still, and I am strong. I strongly believe that.
09;37;10;11 – 09;36;57;19
Jon
But I think people need it, especially right now. It’s hey, if you decided to do what it takes to have a child and you’re not going to be part of that kid’s life and raise it and help give it a better life than you’ve had, yeah, you should be ashamed.
09;36;57;17 – 09;36;52;23
Aaron
You hear you heard it here on the grit theory. Yeah, no excuses. Especially with that.
09;36;52;23 – 09;36;36;08
Jon
Yeah, like, you’re not. You’re not just some selfish punk anymore by yourself. You know, you have people who desperately need you, and it’s going to affect their trajectory and you need them because if you’re not involved, they can help save you and help you be like an actual contribution to existence.
09;36;35;28 – 09;36;35;11
Jon
You know.
09;36;35;11 – 09;36;33;09
Aaron
So well to that, to that of.
09;36;33;09 – 09;36;31;28
Jon
A little passionate, but not.
09;36;31;27 – 09;36;18;04
Aaron
Well, and you should, as we should be, you know, there’s just too much damage happening right now. I’m not going to allow that. I don’t I can’t believe anybody that would say that. Like that. It’s shameful that kids shouldn’t have their parents in their life, you know.
09;36;18;04 – 09;36;14;05
Aaron
Come on. I mean, you know, it’s crazy. It’s shameful. But anyway.
09;36;12;29 – 09;36;11;19
Jon
That’s another rabbit hole we to go down.
09;36;11;18 – 09;35;57;19
Aaron
Yeah. Well, but I think what’s underlying what you’re saying to that is that there are things that are difficult for everybody. Yeah, it’s hard. Like there’s a broken relationship and kids all that’s really hard to still be in there overnight, desperately.
09;35;57;10 – 09;35;42;05
Aaron
And so you can give yourself in and out and say, I can I’m I’m getting to like when we talked about this like consistent behavior, there’s there’s like so many voices that give you excuse. And honestly, I’ve read studies about this to you.
09;35;42;05 – 09;35;25;28
Aaron
Your mind has to have an out because your mind won’t rest with. You’re absolutely wrong. Now it will rest with. Excuse me. Right? But if you are feeling the pain of this is incorrect, you’re going to have to answer it in your head somehow.
09;35;25;23 – 09;35;24;15
Jon
Forced to action you right?
09;35;24;15 – 09;35;04;12
Aaron
And the grit road says. And it’s the only voice now let’s choose the narrow path, it’s like, no, I understand you’re tired. I understand yesterday it was difficult. I understand that all the excuses you can say, I’m going to do it anyway, and I do it anyway.
09;35;04;08 – 09;34;44;18
Jon
Well, it’s that choice, right? It is. It really comes down to how do I make my excuse pushing into the struggle? Hmm. Like yesterday, great example. I went in, had a pretty productive day with work and a lot of different interactions, and something did not sit right with me in a conversation.
09;34;44;18 – 09;34;31;20
Jon
I had every reason it was a I had made a joke and someone had made a comment and just didn’t sit right with me and I could justify and I was justifying. I was testifying. It’s fine. Leave it be.
09;34;31;07 – 09;34;18;17
Jon
But he just kept bothering me, so the way I’ve conditioned myself as well, if it keeps bothering me and I’ve not been able to silence it. Push into the struggle. So I called the person and I had a conversation about it and I dug through what I needed to dig through.
09;34;18;06 – 09;34;05;15
Jon
And we, you know, did what we needed to do and I hung up the phone. I felt great, like I felt content the piece right because I didn’t just bury or allow excuse to try and console me to sleep.
09;34;05;06 – 09;33;49;08
Jon
You know, there’s this whole thing of like wakefulness being awake and intentional versus being asleep on autopilot and miserable, right? And it certainly is painful and uncomfortable. Like to choose to be awake and choose to be intentional and choose to do hard things.
09;33;48;24 – 09;33;41;03
Jon
But I think it’s way better than woe is me. This is all terrible. They’re the bad guys, you know?
09;33;41;02 – 09;33;40;16
Aaron
Yes.
09;33;40;04 – 09;33;39;20
Jon
Whatever.
09;33;39;14 – 09;33;22;19
Aaron
Well, I started school and this is, you know, a funny place to derive a truth from. But like it was this this this little quote on Facebook I saw come through and it said, it’s a dis remember when you want to quit this thing, this journey you’ve been on.
09;33;22;14 – 09;33;06;02
Aaron
Now that when you started this journey, you were miserable at the beginning and you so miserable that you had to start the journey. Mm hmm. And just remember, now that you’re in the place that you wished you could be back then?
09;33;05;03 – 09;33;04;07
Aaron
Before you quit.
09;33;03;08 – 09;32;47;13
Jon
Well, it’s that powerful side of self comparison. Right? It’s so easy in Jordan. Pearson talks about this a lot in his books and lectures. But compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not in in light of who you want to be tomorrow.
09;32;47;04 – 09;32;34;21
Jon
Not anyone else. Right. And I think there’s immense value in that. And you can find there’s no perfect hero, but you can find great role models to put attributes fun to help inspire you. That’s not the type of comparison here.
09;32;34;20 – 09;32;18;02
Jon
This is a comparison of like, I’m going to start working out. I’m going to start waking up before 9:00, right? And then you find some insane person who wakes up at four. That’s not going to motivate you, but it may motivate you on one hand, but also it can demoralize you if you lose the wake up, Adam
09;32;18;01 – 09;32;10;21
Jon
. Right? So it’s like, well, if I wake up at nine every day and I’ve woke up at 8:30 each day, I’m better than I was yesterday. Hmm.
09;32;10;10 – 09;31;57;29
Aaron
You know, I heard Jon this this can mess in my head a little bit because, you know, you hear about it like writing down goals and they and they should be. You should look at them every day. And this person said, Why are you doing that to yourself?
09;31;57;22 – 09;31;44;06
Aaron
This is why are you on the trail looking at the top of the mountain every single morning said, why don’t you instead look at the top of the mountain? I want to be there and be sure. Put your nose down and groan and look at the trail in front of you now and then.
09;31;44;06 – 09;31;24;07
Aaron
Every now and then look up, go much closer like goals can beat you over the head that 4:00 a.m. could crush your spirit. But you know, looking at ten days ago? Yeah, hopefully. And that’s that’s really reset. But let’s say even five years ago, like, wow, look where I am now, that’s that’s encouraging.
09;31;24;07 – 09;31;22;27
Aaron
This is why I grind it out.
09;31;19;11 – 09;31;04;24
Jon
Yeah, there I think there’s a two sided comment that you have to have the vision, you have to have that strategic level thinking, where do I ultimately want to go that is outside of my comfort zone in excellence?
09;31;04;11 – 09;30;44;27
Jon
Right? That is part of this. You have to see that. And to your point, that becomes like your compass. Right? I must head north. Yeah, north is this thing that I must accomplish, right? To just focus on that thing when there may be years of work between you in it is the demoralizing piece.
09;30;44;18 – 09;30;33;02
Jon
But without that, you may be going the wrong direction. Oh yes. So like, I do think that it’s essential to have that, which I don’t think was not part of the point. But I think that you have to have that and it’s like, Well, how the heck do I get there?
09;30;32;28 – 09;30;14;03
Jon
Yeah, you know, and then you start grinding it out. And I think that especially early on, especially early on, it’s important to compare yourself to yesterday and the last ten days. Right? Like if you’re really starting a journey like when I did the first 21 day challenge, either for even for deadlifts, it was like, I’ve done seven
09;30;14;03 – 09;29;56;03
Jon
. I can do eight. Oh, I’ve done 15. I can be 16. Yeah, I’ve done 2021 and pull something out of the tank. I didn’t know I had, you know, and that exponentially grew to 100 day challenge, you know, so it’s like these thing we can pull strength on that self comparison of.
09;29;56;03 – 09;29;41;29
Jon
I’m improving from yesterday. And then what’s also cause when you look at that? The only way today is a day you didn’t continue to evolve in some small way or you didn’t take action to pursue your goals. That’s that becomes the only way today.
09;29;41;22 – 09;29;40;12
Aaron
Yeah, you know. Yep.
09;29;39;10 – 09;29;32;10
Jon
Which is valuable because right now, like without those types of speculations, I think we’re at risk of feeling like a lot of our time is wasted.
09;29;32;05 – 09;29;17;23
Aaron
Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. I mean, you need that encouragement to look back and be reflective so that it drives what you’re about to choose to do. Mm-Hmm. In that sense, it should encourage you. Yeah, but at the same time.
09;29;16;19 – 09;28;57;02
Aaron
If it if you’re not, if you’re definitely going to see change that are consistent, I will say that, but I will say if you look back and we, you know, I’ve used analogy with you before, it’s like marbles in a jar, you know, it’s like the yes and the no mark jars, which has more marbles for the
09;28;57;02 – 09;28;45;06
Aaron
choices you want to make. And you may look back and you may be discouraged as you see the nose outweigh the yeses. Well, that’s also a motivator. It’s like, Oh, right, you fell off the horse. Like, Don’t quit.
09;28;45;05 – 09;28;35;11
Aaron
I think I think it’s what most people do. It’s like. So you see, I’m the type of person who can’t do a resolution or can’t do a goal or whatever. It’s like, Well, are you going to accept that?
09;28;35;11 – 09;28;28;21
Aaron
Because that’s a long time to live believing that you can accomplish anything that you’ll just quit on.
09;28;28;05 – 09;28;19;20
Jon
Or that just goes back to excuse based thinking, right? Because I failed. I have an out now. Yeah. Oh, this is who I am. Yeah. one that you just chose a quitter.
09;28;19;20 – 09;28;18;09
Aaron
I’m a quitter. I can’t do anything.
09;28;18;09 – 09;28;14;08
Jon
Which is a choice. Yeah, I at that moment, you choose to take on the any.
09;28;14;00 – 09;28;11;25
Aaron
Things to not say to Jon, I’m a quitter.
09;28;11;09 – 09;28;10;02
Jon
I don’t have people like that. My life.
09;28;08;12 – 09;27;52;04
Aaron
I don’t. Yeah, yeah. When you’re going to get annoying fast, you know, if you’re if you’re that person who wants to really accomplish. Yeah. And you’re really focusing on this thing, you’re going to get haters pretty quick and like, don’t be surprised by that when you like cheese.
09;27;51;15 – 09;27;50;02
Aaron
You’re just one of those crazy people.
09;27;50;01 – 09;27;34;13
Jon
Am I net negative these contagious right? You experiences? We talk about this all the time, like it’s so pervasive and all this stuff about, you know, is shrinking the circle and being intentional and growing your discipline and being consistent.
09;27;34;12 – 09;27;20;03
Jon
It does not mean that you don’t go through terribly hard things with people, right? That’s where the grit shows up. Like, there are challenges that you and I have walked through. There’s challenges that some of the inner circle and I’ve walked through that are devastating.
09;27;19;25 – 09;27;00;04
Jon
They’re draining. I’m like, There’s times I’m pouring everything I have with no return into that relationship. Right? But that’s OK. You know, because the relationship is not supposed to always just be beneficial. It’s supposed to be a union of greater strength.
09;27;00;04 – 09;26;47;14
Jon
You know, you can go faster, alone or further together and say, Well, who are you going to travel with? Right, because there’s going to be times where they’re licked and they need their wounds mended and they need protected.
09;26;46;24 – 09;26;33;21
Jon
And there’s going to be times where I’m going to need the same thing. That’s right, and that’s where you want to invest. That’s my motivation for investing in energy so carefully is when I’m beat up, I need to have.
09;26;32;21 – 09;26;18;10
Jon
Those other men in my life. Who I know will come around me and do for me what is needed, as I’m able to do for them, and that’s why the intentionality matters, because otherwise I’m pulling myself out and I make it 10% on the 10% of those dudes care.
09;26;18;06 – 09;26;09;07
Jon
Yeah, right. I’d rather just really strengthen that 10% and have the richness of that and learn to be comfortable with myself in the sand, which is not easy. Yeah. You know.
09;26;08;16 – 09;25;52;13
Aaron
It’s hard. It is amazing to have that friend who’s just like, I don’t know what happens in your brain, but like, if I were alone looking at that challenge, I’d be like, I’m not today. But boy, is that.
09;25;52;12 – 09;25;32;27
Aaron
But is it standing next to you, whether it be physically or just in packed with you? You know, it’s like, I have to do it. It’s if not for me, I’m doing it for. The covenant I made or the promise I made, you know, whatever it takes, but it’s amazing.
09;25;32;27 – 09;25;27;06
Aaron
I love Lisa. That’s so quotable. Faster one. Further together.
09;25;26;25 – 09;25;10;10
Jon
Yeah, in that that is a quote that is not mine. Yeah, right there. There’s a lot of cultures that have accentuated that’s one of those like central human truths that seems to come up everywhere. But it makes sense, you know, like if someone jumps me and I have a buddy there to help.
09;25;09;21 – 09;25;01;19
Jon
Yeah, ward that off. I’m in a much better shape than if I followed, you know, so it’s just said, but who are you traveling with? Are they going to turn on you? Are they going to have your back and.
09;25;01;14 – 09;24;51;01
Jon
And I think that goes into it. It’s all the more important. It’s desperately important, period. But it’s all the more important. When you have others, you rely on you. That’s right. You know, that’s right.
09;24;49;18 – 09;24;26;23
Aaron
This is good. So we’ve hit. We’ve had intentionality. We’ve hit the discipline. We’ve we’ve had the excuse mentality. I mean, we’ve covered a lot of ground today, but over overall all. It’s great it’s it’s choosing to do something anyway when it’s difficult.
09;24;26;16 – 09;24;09;23
Aaron
And we got into the wire a little bit because we can’t concede to be what we were before, like we don’t want to be that anymore. We’re we’re always growing in something or we don’t want to escape into a poor mentality or, you know, whatever that is.
09;24;09;23 – 09;23;56;04
Aaron
But as we’ve talked about coming out of 2020, all those people who are are deciding, maybe for the first time, you know, it’s like, Hey, it’s time to kind of make war. Yeah. And some areas of my life, right?
09;23;56;03 – 09;23;39;10
Jon
Well, there’s a lot of different ways you could continue to have this conversation. But one of the ones that has affected me the most powerfully is the simple idea of. If you’re on your deathbed. In the best version of yourself walks up to you and you’re about to die.
09;23;38;23 – 09;23;23;27
Jon
How painful is that gap going to be? You know, and like, what are they going to say to you? Shame. Right? Look at what you could have been when you squandered it. Not die. Right, right. Or like, Hey, man.
09;23;23;12 – 09;23;22;09
Jon
Pretty darn close. Good job.
09;23;21;28 – 09;23;21;17
Aaron
Mm hmm.
09;23;21;04 – 09;23;01;06
Jon
Like, if I’m the perfect you, you did everything you could to get as close to that ideal state as possible. Well, don’t lie followed gun piece, you know, and that that type of thing. What am I going to meet if I know that my entrance into whatever is after this life is meeting who I could have been
09;22;59;23 – 09;22;47;04
Jon
? Right. And they judge that decision before anything else. Judge, what I’ve done, then that’s I go, Well, it goes back to I need look at myself in the mirror, take ownership of this stuff and make the changes I need to know.
09;22;46;03 – 09;22;45;08
Aaron
That’s so or.
09;22;45;08 – 09;22;43;20
Jon
Live with regret. You know.
09;22;43;18 – 09;22;36;12
Aaron
That’s I think are out there. That’s so good. I mean, let’s let’s think about where we’re headed.
09;22;36;00 – 09;22;35;21
Jon
Yeah.
09;22;34;19 – 09;22;32;17
Aaron
Well, when you continue what we’re doing every day.
09;22;31;13 – 09;22;09;03
Jon
What with that, you know, what’s exciting is next time you’re in the hot seat. So prepare thyself and. Yeah, I mean, so, you know, to the and starting new ventures, I think one thing that we could swiftly continue the landing of the plane like we’re sent, we’re descending right now is you have to create a force function
09;22;08;03 – 09;21;53;15
Jon
. No quit before then date, right on adventures like for we’ve done that for this. Yeah, we’ve decided if this this venture of this podcast is this journey is going to exist, we will not terminated before a certain number of podcasts so that we have.
09;21;52;12 – 09;21;38;12
Jon
The true full attempt to see if this is valuable enough and. But that’s true of fitness of anything and. And when you combine that with the other things you talked about, I think you really set yourself up for success of.
09;21;37;03 – 09;21;20;21
Jon
If you struggle with commitment, you’re right. I want to do a 30 day challenge, but I will not allow myself to stop before ten. No matter what. Right. And then if I want to terminate it, I will. You know, and you give yourself that freedom and you get to day ten and you do it and you’re like
09;21;20;21 – 09;21;11;15
Jon
, I’ve done ten days. I’ve never done ten days. You know, it just all feeds to. Fueling the hope of who you can become. You know.
09;21;11;05 – 09;20;41;09
Aaron
Absolutely, and I hope that what my big dream is, that as we continue, we’re going to stumble upon some pretty incredible stories. Yeah, that that we ourselves want to be inspired by. We call this theory because. The theory is that there is unlimited possibility when you decide to push past those barriers of excuse, of difficulty, of whatever
09;20;41;09 – 09;20;33;05
Aaron
villain is standing in your way and you can push past that you can become you can do incredible things in your life and for the world.
09;20;32;27 – 09;20;23;27
Jon
Well, to that, we want to become indomitable. We want to equip and empower others to become unstoppable.
09;20;23;26 – 09;20;23;07
Aaron
Absolutely.
09;20;23;06 – 09;20;13;16
Jon
You know, that is the purpose of this. Let’s honor those who have overcome insurmountable odds. Yeah. So that we can all be encouraged. Yes. And continue.
09;20;13;03 – 09;20;04;07
Aaron
Forward. Jon, it’s like when you taste that sweet taste of the way I did it.
09;20;03;17 – 09;20;02;23
Jon
I did that.
09;20;01;28 – 09;19;49;18
Aaron
I severely doubted myself. I didn’t think I could do. And I did it. I did it. You can’t keep quiet about that stuff now. Like, you’re going to tell ten guys, even if they don’t want to hear you, but you hope one will go.
09;19;49;10 – 09;19;46;16
Aaron
You know what? I think I’m going to start making some adjustments.
09;19;46;03 – 09;19;32;00
Jon
And even and even if you don’t have the opportunity to share it, but you continue, it fuels the next progression of that, the next cycle of that and eventually your actions begin to call out. The attractiveness of that to others.
09;19;31;24 – 09;19;31;09
Aaron
Yes.
09;19;31;08 – 09;19;27;17
Jon
And they create the opportunities for you to begin sharing. Yeah, you.
09;19;27;17 – 09;19;26;11
Aaron
Know. Yeah, that’s right.
09;19;26;11 – 09;19;20;29
Jon
So you’re right. Regardless, it’s just a matter of maybe time and scale. That’s right. But it will come.
09;19;20;22 – 09;19;12;11
Aaron
We’re going to go find those other torchbearers out there that are, you know, going into the darkness. And they’ve discovered, yeah, some pretty incredible things about who they are.
09;19;12;09 – 09;19;02;26
Jon
Let’s build it. Let’s create a community of encouragement for those who refuse to say no to the challenges of life in prison.
09;19;02;02 – 09;18;45;16
Aaron
Love it. You know, here you go, man. Yeah, that’s the beginning. This is fun. Thanks. Thanks for joining us, guys on this podcast. Save for the grit theory. Thank you. Friends and family that are supporting us right now, and we look forward to many more wonderful discussions with you.
09;18;44;19 – 09;18;42;29
Aaron
Take care. Bye bye.
09;18;33;27 – 09;18;25;22
Jon
That was another episode of the grit theory, if you like what you heard, please subscribe and let us know if you did not like what you heard. Keep it to yourself.
09;18;25;17 – 09;18;17;16
Aaron
We hope that you got at least a few nuggets that you want to share. We look forward to seeing your comments below. Thank you so much for joining us today. Take care.
